zone VI meters

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
 > davidb wrote:
 >
  >> Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
  >> Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
 >
 > It has the spectral response changed slightly to "see" color more
 > like a B&W film (Tri-X) would - or so it is claimed.
[Snip...]

Tim, did you happen to actually read what David asked? He likes to know
how to verify if a meter is modified. He did not ask what is the
difference between a standard and a modified meter.

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Severi Salminen wrote:
 > Tim Daneliuk wrote:
 >
  >> davidb wrote:
  >>
   >>> Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
   >>> Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
  >>
  >>
  >> It has the spectral response changed slightly to "see" color more
  >> like a B&W film (Tri-X) would - or so it is claimed.
 >
 > [Snip...]
 >
 > Tim, did you happen to actually read what David asked? He likes to know
 > how to verify if a meter is modified. He did not ask what is the
 > difference between a standard and a modified meter.
 >
 > Severi S.

Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.

The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This sticker
has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
system.

(slinks off in embarassment...)

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 > Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.
 >
 > The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This sticker
 > has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
 > system.
 >
 > (slinks off in embarassment...)

Umm, you should go to bed... The sticker can be bought separately (and
it can easily be also missing) so it is _definitely_ not a way to
distinguish between modified and unmodified version.

I guess one could try to look through the front lens and look into the
meter. Never looked through a modified meter so I don't know what to
look for but I'd guess the modifications would be easy to spot, at least
if you know what an unmodified looked like.

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Severi Salminen wrote:

  >> Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.
  >>
  >> The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
  >> sticker
  >> has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
  >> system.
  >>
  >> (slinks off in embarassment...)
 >
 >
 > Umm, you should go to bed... The sticker can be bought separately (and
 > it can easily be also missing) so it is _definitely_ not a way to
 > distinguish between modified and unmodified version.
 >
 > I guess one could try to look through the front lens and look into the
 > meter. Never looked through a modified meter so I don't know what to
 > look for but I'd guess the modifications would be easy to spot, at least
 > if you know what an unmodified looked like.
 >
 > Severi

Your point about the sticker it taken, though I don't know if they are
available any longer. I see nothing miraculous while looking through
the meter either. Now that I look at it more closely, I note that
there is also another sticker (much more substantial and less likely
to get peeled off) on the side of the grip that says "Modified By
Zone VI".

As a practial matter, I don't think it actually matters that much anyway.
Once I calibrated my personal EI using the meter, I use it as I would
any other meter. The claim that you can just meter through a filter
(which was one of the primary motivations for the modification) turns
out to not be true - at least in my experience with the two I've owned...

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Ask Richard. He was the one that modified them for Fred. Only the modified
ones had the "Modified by ..." sticker on the side.
http://www.lg4mat.net/

By the way, I understand Calumet has dropped the modified meters.
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 > The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
sticker
 > has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
 > system.

No, this is wrong too. You're confusing the zone system sticker with the
modied meter sticker. They are two different things.

"Tim Daneliuk" <tundra RemoveThis @tundraware.com> wrote in message
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 > Severi Salminen wrote:
  > > Tim Daneliuk wrote:
  > >
   > >> davidb wrote:
   > >>
   > >>> Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
   > >>> Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> It has the spectral response changed slightly to "see" color more
   > >> like a B&W film (Tri-X) would - or so it is claimed.
  > >
  > > [Snip...]
  > >
  > > Tim, did you happen to actually read what David asked? He likes to know
  > > how to verify if a meter is modified. He did not ask what is the
  > > difference between a standard and a modified meter.
  > >
  > > Severi S.
 >
 > Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.
 >
 > The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
sticker
 > has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
 > system.
 >
 > (slinks off in embarassment...)
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The sticker is the only way I know of without having equipment and means of
testing that you probably don't have. However, it's a pretty good indication
that the meter has in fact been modified. The only way it could be wrong is
if the seller somehow was able to get his or her hands on a sticker and then
put it on an unmodified meter, presumably for the purpose of defrauding a
buyer. The stickers weren't sold separately from the modifications so
finding one without having the meter modified wouldn't be easy.

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 > Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
 > Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
 > I am asking because I just bought one for a very reasonable price. It
 > has the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" sticker on the side. But is
 > there another way?
 >
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BEllis60 wrote:
 > The sticker is the only way I know of without having equipment and means of
 > testing that you probably don't have. However, it's a pretty good indication
 > that the meter has in fact been modified. The only way it could be wrong is
 > if the seller somehow was able to get his or her hands on a sticker and then
 > put it on an unmodified meter, presumably for the purpose of defrauding a
 > buyer. The stickers weren't sold separately from the modifications so
 > finding one without having the meter modified wouldn't be easy.

Every meter modified has the sticker, so if you have an unmodified but
working meter, and a modified but dead meter, some patience and some
chemical glue remover, you might be able to remove the sticker, and glue
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  > > Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.
  > >
  > > The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
sticker
  > > has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
  > > system.
  > >
  > > (slinks off in embarassment...)
 >
 > Umm, you should go to bed... The sticker can be bought separately (and
 > it can easily be also missing) so it is _definitely_ not a way to
 > distinguish between modified and unmodified version.

Oh come on, neither of you know what you're talking about so you're giving
completely incorrect information.

There were two stickers that Zone VI Studios used. One is the zone system
sticker. This was the sticker Tim was talking about . The zone system
stickers were (and I think still are) sold separately from the meter and are
used to assist in applying the zone system when determining exposure. These
stickers have nothing whatsoever to do with whether the meter has been
modified or not. The other sticker is the one David is asking about. Those
stickers have nothing to do with the zone system. Those stickers say that
the meter has been modified and they were NOT sold separately from the
meter. The only way of getting one of these is to have the meter modified.
So the existence of the sticker that David is asking about is a very good
indication that the meter has in fact been modified.

"Severi Salminen" <severi.salminen.RemoveThis@NOT_THISsiba.fi> wrote in message
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  > > Whoooops - it is 3am here - brain fade - my apologies.
  > >
  > > The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
sticker
  > > has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in the zone
  > > system.
  > >
  > > (slinks off in embarassment...)
 >
 > Umm, you should go to bed... The sticker can be bought separately (and
 > it can easily be also missing) so it is _definitely_ not a way to
 > distinguish between modified and unmodified version.
 >
 > I guess one could try to look through the front lens and look into the
 > meter. Never looked through a modified meter so I don't know what to
 > look for but I'd guess the modifications would be easy to spot, at least
 > if you know what an unmodified looked like.
 >
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  >>Umm, you should go to bed... The sticker can be bought separately (and
  >>it can easily be also missing) so it is _definitely_ not a way to
  >>distinguish between modified and unmodified version.
 >
 >
 > Oh come on, neither of you know what you're talking about so you're giving
 > completely incorrect information.

"Oh come on" yourself, re-read what I wrote and what I answered to. Tim
was talking about the sticker around the barrel, the sticker with Zones
on it, he was not talking about the "Modified by..." sticker that David
allready mentioned in the first post. Tim wrote this:

"The modified meter comes with a "stick on" around the barrel. This
sticker has various shades of gray on it to correspond to each zone in
the zone system. "

David allready knows about "Modified by..." sticker and asked what
_other_ ways there are to verify whether a meter is modified. And these
Zone System stickers can be bought separately so it is not way to verify
the matter.

 > There were two stickers that Zone VI Studios used. One is the zone system
 > sticker. This was the sticker Tim was talking about .

No he was not, please re-read.

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"BEllis60" <bellis RemoveThis @bellisphoto.net> wrote in message
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 > The sticker is the only way I know of without having equipment and means
of
 > testing that you probably don't have. However, it's a pretty good
indication
 > that the meter has in fact been modified. The only way it could be wrong
is
 > if the seller somehow was able to get his or her hands on a sticker and
then
 > put it on an unmodified meter, presumably for the purpose of defrauding a
 > buyer. The stickers weren't sold separately from the modifications so
 > finding one without having the meter modified wouldn't be easy.

But making a sticker would be easy. I bought a second hand Pentax V and it
came with sticker and a certificate stating the meter and S/N had been
ZoneVI modified. Yes, the certificate could also be faked!

The best proof that you have a modified meter is if you get much better
exposed negatives, isn't that right people

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davidb wrote:
 > Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
 > Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
 > I am asking because I just bought one for a very reasonable price. It
 > has the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" sticker on the side. But is
 > there another way?
 >
 > thanks

My modified meter (and probably most of them, since I remember Fred
Picker discussing this in one of his newsletters) had the sensitivity
adjusted by one stop. That is, if you had been using the unmodified
meter set at EI 200, you should use EI 400 after modification. So you
should be able to compare grey card readings with another known "good"
meter.

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 > Every meter modified has the sticker, so if you have an unmodified but
 > working meter, and a modified but dead meter, some patience and some
 > chemical glue remover, you might be able to remove the sticker, and glue
 > it to the unmodified meter.

True. Or maybe the seller broke into the Zone VI Studio offices and stole
the sticker, then bought an unmodified meter, put the sticker on it, and
sold it to David as a modified meter.

"Paul Schmidt" <wogsterca.RemoveThis@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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 > BEllis60 wrote:
  > > The sticker is the only way I know of without having equipment and means
of
  > > testing that you probably don't have. However, it's a pretty good
indication
  > > that the meter has in fact been modified. The only way it could be wrong
is
  > > if the seller somehow was able to get his or her hands on a sticker and
then
  > > put it on an unmodified meter, presumably for the purpose of defrauding
a
  > > buyer. The stickers weren't sold separately from the modifications so
  > > finding one without having the meter modified wouldn't be easy.
 >
 > Every meter modified has the sticker, so if you have an unmodified but
 > working meter, and a modified but dead meter, some patience and some
 > chemical glue remover, you might be able to remove the sticker, and glue
 > it to the unmodified meter.
 >
 >
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