how to view the days pictures without shooting a whole roll

In article <1112265593.733790.3050.DeleteThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Tim_Mac <tim.DeleteThis@mackey.ie> wrote:

 >i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
 >photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
 >negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
 >take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this is
 >a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?

This is one of my peeves with 35mm, and why when I go out with a film
camera, it's more likely to be my Rolleiflex (12 pictures per roll) than my
35mm rangefinder, which makes the problem even worse.

 >i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
 >thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
 >loads and winds on the same way.

Yes, it does. It's essentially just like print film, only you get a
"positive" instead of a negative.

I only shoot slides in colour, since I scan my film and don't get lab prints
made. Slides are much easier to "preview" than negatives, as you can just
hold them up to the light.

 >also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have to
 >pay €8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
 >options for shooting a short roll of film?

Realistically, with 35mm your options in this area are a bit limited to 24
and 36 exposure rolls for commonly available films.

Medium format doesn't have this problem (645 gets 16, 6*6 gets 12 shots on a
roll, 6*7 gets 10, and 6*9 gets , but that won't work with your current
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Alan Browne wrote:
 > Tim_Mac wrote:
 >
  >> hi,
  >> i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
  >> with a 100-300 zoom lens.
  >> i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
  >> photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
  >> negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
  >> take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this
  >> is a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
  >> obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
  >> away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
  >> something?
  >>
  >> i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the
  >> one thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like
  >> negatives and loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not
  >> help me quickly process or view (in whatever way) only a few
  >> pictures at a time. also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film
  >> scanner so i don't have
  >> to pay €8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
  >> options for shooting a short roll of film?
 >
 > Kodak have an 8 frame negative roll that I've used. I don't remember
 > what emulsion. You can get 12 frame rolls all over. On some quickie
 > projects I've had the negatives developed (sometimes with only a few
 > frames out of 24/36 shot) without prints and then scanned for content.
 >
 > Slide film loads and shoots like negative film. But the exposure
 > latitude is narrower, so a bit harder to get proper exposure. Either
 > expose for what you know is a mid tone, or spot meter the highlights
 > and open 1.7 to 2 stops. Sensia 100 and EliteChrome 100 are good GP
 > slide films. You can view them on a light table, with a projector or
 > scan them.
 > Needless to say, the fastest click to review is digital.

Another film option I haven't seen mentioned here is to buy film in bulk
rolls. Most major b&w, slide, and color negative films can be purchased
in 50 or 100 foot rolls from specialty labs or web sites such as B&H.
There can often be a substantial savings in 'per frame' costs this way,
and you can purchase reloadable cassettes to roll your own in whatever
lengths you require. I did this for decades with E-4 and E-6 slide
films.

But then I discovered digital...

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"Tim_Mac" <tim.DeleteThis@mackey.ie> wrote in message
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hi,
i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
with a 100-300 zoom lens.
i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this is
a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
something?

i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.

also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have to
pay ?8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
options for shooting a short roll of film?

thanks in advance for any suggestions
tim
I hate to waste film myself, so I generally just shoot what I
want and tear off the film to use the rest later. But if you're sending it
out, I'd haunt the large drug and dept stores for buys on 4 packs. You can
get some excellent buys and the store brands are generally made by Agfa or
Fuji. I like the Agfa colors. Then, of course you have to look for a lab
that charges by the print instead of the roll. OR, the 1-Hour joint I used
to go to will charge $2 for a CD and 0.50 for each shot. Bob
Hickey
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Tim_Mac wrote:
 > hi,
 > i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
 > with a 100-300 zoom lens.
 > i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
 > photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
 > negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
 > take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this
 > is a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
 > obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
 > away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
 > something?

You can get some smaller rolls of film, but it will not help much as the
cost per roll is not much less and the cost per image is higher. You also
are not likely to save on the processing of the film. You might as well
just use the regular easy to find 24 exposure.

 >
 > i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the
 > one thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like
 > negatives and loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not
 > help me quickly process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures
 > at a time.

Same as negative film for this problem. No faster and you may find it
will take even longer for processing.

 >
 > also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have
 > to pay ?8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
 > options for shooting a short roll of film?

Not likely to save you money. You still have to have the negatives
processed. You should be able to have a "proof" sheet made of all the
images and save over having regular prints made.

 >
 > thanks in advance for any suggestions
 > tim

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On 31 Mar 2005 02:39:53 -0800, "Tim_Mac" <tim RemoveThis @mackey.ie> wrote:

 >hi,
 >i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
 >with a 100-300 zoom lens.
 >i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
 >photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
 >negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
 >take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this is
 >a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
 >obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
 >away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
 >something?

Digital definitely has this advantage - a much faster way to learn
photography. Immediate results with full EXIF data (shutter speed,
aperture used etc encoded onto each picture). Per shot shooting costs:
zero.

 >i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
 >thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
 >loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
 >process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.

It looks and loads just like regular film. Most labs (esp min-labs)
can't process this in 1hr, and I've had to wait up to 14 days before.
That being said, if you can't switch to DigitalSLR, you really should
be using slide when learning exposure. It's a lot harsher on you and
the print-processing won't destroy any mistakes or artistic influence
you have on the exposure (as they do when printing from negs).

Trying to learn photography with regular film is a bit like trying to
learn the violin at a rock concert - you can't hear it.

Unfortunately, slide film costs more to buy and process than regular
film.

 >also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have to
 >pay ?8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
 >options for shooting a short roll of film?

Okay, this would be a partially digital solution. Definitely think
hard about this, cheap desktop film scanners aren't going to be much
good. Expensive film scanners start to get close to the cost of the
low end DSLRs, think carefully, it's 2005, do you want to invest
heavily in film at this point?

According to buddies I have in the UK, E6 (slide) capable labs there
are getting harder and harder to find (and that's London).

Anyway, you don't even need to pay £8 for processing if you start out
by processing your own negs. This isn't difficult, the equipment
needed comprises of a tank, some chemicals, film-retrieval tool and an
appropriately scaled thermometer. Try B&W first. This way you can
shoot a roll of 24, and process them within an hour all at home.

E6 slide processing can be at home too, the only (optional) additional
requirement here is some plastic mounts and scissors to cut the strips
up. Get some books on this, and make sure you buy the right film for
the chemicals/process you want (at least to start with,
cross-processing can also be fun).

 >thanks in advance for any suggestions

If the home-processing doesn't sound like your thing, take a look at
the second-hand/used DSLR market and see if there isn't something that
fit's your budget.

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hi Matt,
that's a great idea to just take more pictures (why didn't i think of
that!). i'm setting up a bird hide to study a pair of kingfishers that
live near me (limerick, ireland) and they are the hardest things to
catch. you could be sitting there for an hour and only see them shoot
by 3 times, at 30mph. but i think i will try easier subjects for half
the time. i'm a real beginner so i suppose going for that amazing
freeze-frame close up of a kingfisher in full flight is a hard target
specially with manual focus.

thanks to everyone else too for the excellent and most helpful input.
i'm amazed at the level of response. i think i will end up going
digital SLR in about a year, i'll just stick with regular film
developing until then.

thanks again.
tim.
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In article <o8tn41dfdbo1jilcr8ed2ok1vim17so7eu.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Owamanga <owamanga(not-this-bit)@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >On 31 Mar 2005 02:39:53 -0800, "Tim_Mac" <tim.RemoveThis@mackey.ie> wrote:
 >
  >>i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
  >>thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
  >>loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
  >>process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.
 >
 >It looks and loads just like regular film. Most labs (esp min-labs)
 >can't process this in 1hr, and I've had to wait up to 14 days before.

Crikey! I guess I'm fortunate then - I can drop off E6 slide film at my
loacl lab in my lunch break and pick it up on my way home in the evening.
Doesn't matter if it's 35mm, 120 or sheet film.

 >According to buddies I have in the UK, E6 (slide) capable labs there
 >are getting harder and harder to find (and that's London).

I'm in the UK, 60 miles outside London, and as hinted at above, getting E6
processing isn't hard. I'm surprised your friends are apparently having so
much trouble. There are plenty of places I can go locally to get E6
processing. Some will even do it in an hour.

In fact, when I needed some E6 processing doing in a hurry in London a few
weeks ago, I was able to get a 120 roll of Provia 100F processed in an hour
at short notice on Saturday afternoon just by walking into a branch of
Jessops, handing them the roll, and saying, "can you put this through in an
hour?". They did, but their machine ruined a couple of frames by chewing the
film up (for which they were very appologetic and gave me loads of free
stuff). I suspect that had more to do with their machine not handling much
120, and having the area outside the central 35mm covered in gunk than the
fact that it was E6 film though.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:56:02 GMT, Chris Brown
<cpbrown.RemoveThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:

 >In article <o8tn41dfdbo1jilcr8ed2ok1vim17so7eu.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
 >Owamanga <owamanga(not-this-bit)@hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>On 31 Mar 2005 02:39:53 -0800, "Tim_Mac" <tim.RemoveThis@mackey.ie> wrote:
  >>
   >>>i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
   >>>thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
   >>>loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
   >>>process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.
  >>
  >>It looks and loads just like regular film. Most labs (esp min-labs)
  >>can't process this in 1hr, and I've had to wait up to 14 days before.
 >
 >Crikey! I guess I'm fortunate then - I can drop off E6 slide film at my
 >loacl lab in my lunch break and pick it up on my way home in the evening.
 >Doesn't matter if it's 35mm, 120 or sheet film.

The UK is still better than S.Florida, obviously. Each city here seems
to have either one or zero places that still do it.

  >>According to buddies I have in the UK, E6 (slide) capable labs there
  >>are getting harder and harder to find (and that's London).
 >
 >I'm in the UK, 60 miles outside London, and as hinted at above, getting E6
 >processing isn't hard. I'm surprised your friends are apparently having so
 >much trouble. There are plenty of places I can go locally to get E6
 >processing. Some will even do it in an hour.

One in particular does 120 E6, and works near or in Camberwell I
think. He was complaining recently that about half of the places that
used to do it (a few years ago) have since stopped. The other one used
to use 35mm E6 near Crystal Palace, but he moans about everything.

 >In fact, when I needed some E6 processing doing in a hurry in London a few
 >weeks ago, I was able to get a 120 roll of Provia 100F processed in an hour
 >at short notice on Saturday afternoon just by walking into a branch of
 >Jessops, handing them the roll, and saying, "can you put this through in an
 >hour?". They did, but their machine ruined a couple of frames by chewing the
 >film up (for which they were very appologetic and gave me loads of free
 >stuff). I suspect that had more to do with their machine not handling much
 >120, and having the area outside the central 35mm covered in gunk than the
 >fact that it was E6 film though.

But it's events like that where the upper management say: you gave
away *what* because of this film screw up? Okay, sod that. No more
120. And let's dump all E6 whilst we're at it.

....just wait.

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 >negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
 >take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this is
 >a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
 >obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
 >away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
 >something?

Most of the expense of shooting film comes from printing the
photographs, even at 4x6. If you only have, say, 10 exposures on a
roll, I would recommend developing just those 10 exposures, even if
you have a roll of 36. The difference in price between 12exp, 24exp
and 36exp rolls isn't all that significant if you buy film at a good
place, and if you develop your film at a good place, they'll only
charge you a couple of bucks for the develping, but a per-print
charge.

There's another reason to develop your film right away. If you don't
develop exposed film quickly, you degrade the image quality.

-Joel

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In article <2b1o41l1pro56cilmm2h6vumc5lk3ofr66 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
Owamanga <owamanga(not-this-bit)@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:56:02 GMT, Chris Brown
 ><cpbrown DeleteThis @ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>I'm in the UK, 60 miles outside London, and as hinted at above, getting E6
  >>processing isn't hard. I'm surprised your friends are apparently having so
  >>much trouble. There are plenty of places I can go locally to get E6
  >>processing. Some will even do it in an hour.
 >
 >One in particular does 120 E6, and works near or in Camberwell I
 >think. He was complaining recently that about half of the places that
 >used to do it (a few years ago) have since stopped. The other one used
 >to use 35mm E6 near Crystal Palace, but he moans about everything.

That does sort of explain it. Not massively familliar with Camberwell, but
Crystal Palace is a bit suburby. I suspect the problem is more one of a lack
of facilities in general than anything to do with film. There's quite a
trend at the moment for property developers to acquire any bit of city land
they can and build houses (and *just* houses) on it, as getting permission
to build on undeveloped land is getting very hard these days.

As a result, lots of businesses in residential parts of cities (e.g.
suburbs) tend to get made offers they can't refuse, relocate to business
parks, or just shut down, and the place is cleared and redeveloped for
housing.

And suburbs aren't exactly known for their local amenities at the best of
times. I expect he has trouble getting a decent pint as well...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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HUH? I go through 3 or 4 rolls on a casual stroll!

You're not using anywhere near enough film!


Tim_Mac wrote:
 > hi,
 > i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
 > with a 100-300 zoom lens.
 > i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
 > photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
 > negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
 > take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this
is
 > a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
 > obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
 > away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
 > something?
 >
 > i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the
one
 > thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives
and
 > loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me
quickly
 > process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.
 >
 > also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have
to
 > pay €8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
 > options for shooting a short roll of film?
 >
 > thanks in advance for any suggestions
 > tim<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I'm going to say something crazy here--try shooting the full 24 exposures.
No, I don't just mean fill up the end of the roll with boring pictures of
your cat, or whatever, what I mean is, try to take 24 meaningful pictures a
week. Carry your camera with you a little more often, take pictures of your
subjects from multiple angles, with different exposure settings. Think a
little about composition, and in just a few months, I guarantee you'll see
some improvement in your photography.

Alternatively, yeah, get the digital, but I bet you'll be taking more
pictures with that, too, 'cause once you've got one, it doesn't cost a thing
to take pictures all day long!

--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com


"Tim_Mac" <tim DeleteThis @mackey.ie> wrote in message
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hi,
i'm a newbie photographer on a low budget. i have an old Canon AV-1
with a 100-300 zoom lens.
i often find i go out for an hour or two and maybe only take a few
photos. it sometimes takes a few weeks before i use up a 24 or 36
negative roll. i'd love to be able to see the pictures soon after i
take them, while they are still fresh in my mind. i'm guessing this is
a common problem and i'm wondering is there a solution to it?
obviously if i go digital i can download the prints to my PC straight
away, but maybe you can get rolls of film with 5 or 10 exposures or
something?

i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.

also, i'm thinking of getting a desktop film scanner so i don't have to
pay €8 to get them developed each time. this might give me more
options for shooting a short roll of film?

thanks in advance for any suggestions
tim
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"Chris Brown" <cpbrown.DeleteThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote in message
news:gcbth2-1j5.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org...
 > In article <o8tn41dfdbo1jilcr8ed2ok1vim17so7eu.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
 > Owamanga <owamanga(not-this-bit)@hotmail.com> wrote:
  >>On 31 Mar 2005 02:39:53 -0800, "Tim_Mac" <tim.DeleteThis@mackey.ie> wrote:
  >>
   >>>i've read a ton of posts on slide film (but never used it), and the one
   >>>thing i couldn't figure out is if it comes in a roll like negatives and
   >>>loads and winds on the same way. if so then it may not help me quickly
   >>>process or view (in whatever way) only a few pictures at a time.
  >>
  >>It looks and loads just like regular film. Most labs (esp min-labs)
  >>can't process this in 1hr, and I've had to wait up to 14 days before.
 >
 > Crikey! I guess I'm fortunate then - I can drop off E6 slide film at my
 > loacl lab in my lunch break and pick it up on my way home in the evening.
 > Doesn't matter if it's 35mm, 120 or sheet film.
 >
  >>According to buddies I have in the UK, E6 (slide) capable labs there
  >>are getting harder and harder to find (and that's London).
 >
 > I'm in the UK, 60 miles outside London, and as hinted at above, getting E6
 > processing isn't hard. I'm surprised your friends are apparently having so
 > much trouble. There are plenty of places I can go locally to get E6
 > processing. Some will even do it in an hour.
 >
 > In fact, when I needed some E6 processing doing in a hurry in London a few
 > weeks ago, I was able to get a 120 roll of Provia 100F processed in an
 > hour
 > at short notice on Saturday afternoon just by walking into a branch of
 > Jessops, handing them the roll, and saying, "can you put this through in
 > an
 > hour?". They did, but their machine ruined a couple of frames by chewing
 > the
 > film up (for which they were very appologetic and gave me loads of free
 > stuff). I suspect that had more to do with their machine not handling much
 > 120, and having the area outside the central 35mm covered in gunk than the
 > fact that it was E6 film though.


Minolta 5400 scanner costs £550. Canon 300D with lens £489. We've all made
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