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Since: Jun 21, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:48 pm
Post subject: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? Archived from groups: rec>photo>equipment>35mm, others (more info?)
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Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
If you just happen to have a digital camera, say a Canon digital rebel
(or D Mark II, or Nikon D2x, whatever) with a fully charged battery,
and say a 1GB compact flash (heck, say a 10gb cf). How would you use
it? It's unlikely that you'll be able to charge the battery once it's
gone. If you will never make it back to our time, do you think the
compact flash will retain its data for a few thousand years? Under
the assumption that it might retain the data for a while, how would
you shoot? Are you gonna shoot raw? JPG, what compression level? What
do you think is more worthwhile to archeologists, 1000 medium grade
pictures, or 500 higher grade pictures? Or 200 raw pictures?
On the other hand, if you happen to have say a film camera, with a few
roll of film, say 10-20, what would you do? For the sake of argument
I'll assume the film camera also takes battery, but those batteries
might last a bit longer. However, there's no place to buy additional
battery or develop the film, so it's also unlikely that it will last a
few thousand years for us to see anyway....
If we change the scenario a bit, let's say you get 'rescued' after 3
years, but you don't know that, but you are under the assumption that
you will be rescued after some time, how would you use your camera to
document this once in a lifetime never before possible encounter to
the world? If you have your pick of equipment, what would it be?
Whatever you pick, it has to fit in a backpack.
Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
storage, that also takes AA batteries
Or, I could use a fully mechanical film camera and some bulk films.
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Since: Jun 10, 2004 Posts: 213
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:55 pm
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<nospamphoto RemoveThis @none.com> wrote in message
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> Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
> transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
> preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
>
> If we change the scenario a bit, let's say you get 'rescued' after 3
> years, but you don't know that, but you are under the assumption that
> you will be rescued after some time, how would you use your camera to
> document this once in a lifetime never before possible encounter to
>
> Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> storage, that also takes AA batteries
>
> Or, I could use a fully mechanical film camera and some bulk films.
>
> Raymond
Won't matter what camera you take. No electricty to operate recharge your
digi batteries or run your computer, no chemicals or processors to handle
film.
You would be better off taking drawing pads and a box of pencils.
Oh Yeah watch out for the man eating animals.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? |
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Since: Jun 10, 2004 Posts: 3377
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:55 pm
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Mike wrote:
> <nospamphoto DeleteThis @none.com> wrote in message
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>>Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
>>transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
>>preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
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>>Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
>>compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
>>the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
>>storage, that also takes AA batteries
The first GPS' test satellites flew around 1980 and a navigable
constellation didn't appear before about 1994. So leave the GPS
at home for this trip to the past.
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Since: Jun 09, 2004 Posts: 100
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:04 pm
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If you brought any advanced technology you would have been killed for
witchcraft. No matter how hard you tried you would not be able to convince
them otherwise.
Jimmy
<nospamphoto.RemoveThis@none.com> wrote in message
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> Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
> transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
> preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
>
> If you just happen to have a digital camera, say a Canon digital rebel
> (or D Mark II, or Nikon D2x, whatever) with a fully charged battery,
> and say a 1GB compact flash (heck, say a 10gb cf). How would you use
> it? It's unlikely that you'll be able to charge the battery once it's
> gone. If you will never make it back to our time, do you think the
> compact flash will retain its data for a few thousand years? Under
> the assumption that it might retain the data for a while, how would
> you shoot? Are you gonna shoot raw? JPG, what compression level? What
> do you think is more worthwhile to archeologists, 1000 medium grade
> pictures, or 500 higher grade pictures? Or 200 raw pictures?
>
> On the other hand, if you happen to have say a film camera, with a few
> roll of film, say 10-20, what would you do? For the sake of argument
> I'll assume the film camera also takes battery, but those batteries
> might last a bit longer. However, there's no place to buy additional
> battery or develop the film, so it's also unlikely that it will last a
> few thousand years for us to see anyway....
>
> If we change the scenario a bit, let's say you get 'rescued' after 3
> years, but you don't know that, but you are under the assumption that
> you will be rescued after some time, how would you use your camera to
> document this once in a lifetime never before possible encounter to
> the world? If you have your pick of equipment, what would it be?
> Whatever you pick, it has to fit in a backpack.
>
> Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> storage, that also takes AA batteries
>
> Or, I could use a fully mechanical film camera and some bulk films.
>
> Raymond<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? |
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Since: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 584
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:21 pm
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>The first GPS' test satellites flew around 1980 and a navigable
>constellation didn't appear before about 1994. So leave the GPS
>at home for this trip to the past.
ROFL.
This is so hilarious. I actually read the GPS in the original post but didn't
notice.
To the original poster, make sure you gather some ancient chalk and a rock, and
engrave something in stone. Perhaps some reference to modern culture. That'll
probably be all that'd survive the blast to the past.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? |
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Since: Jun 21, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:44 pm
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In rec.photo.digital Alan Browne <alan.browne.DeleteThis@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> The first GPS' test satellites flew around 1980 and a navigable
> constellation didn't appear before about 1994. So leave the GPS
> at home for this trip to the past.
True. I've forgotten about that. Damn!!
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Since: Jun 12, 2004 Posts: 87
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:44 pm
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I'd take a rollfilm camera, B&W film, powdered developer and fixer and
process what I could, plus depending how far back-Greek, Roman times?
Middle Ages? Revolutionary War? -some chemical info to make photo
chemistry and also sensitized plates. A press camera capable of taking
glass plates or silvered Daugerrotype tins might be a winner too.
I'd also take a few rolls of Kodachrome on the off chance that stored
it might survive until modern times, if kept cool.
Personally, if I could go back in time, I wouldn't want to go that
far...my preferred times would all be within the era of relatively
modern photography. And photos wouldn't be my concern. (A list of
lottery numbers for foreign lotteries and some football and baseball
scores, that's the ticket.) >> Stay informed about: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? |
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Since: Jun 02, 2004 Posts: 850
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:32 am
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In article <cb771q$1lgi$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, nospamphoto.DeleteThis@none.com
says...
> Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> storage, that also takes AA batteries
Too bad those GPS satellites won't be launched for hundreds of years to
come.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? |
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Since: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 584
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:48 am
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I would take some modern technological wonder that would totally startle the
ancients and take pictures of their reactions. I've always wondered what it'd
be like for the ancients to see modern stuff.
For example, if i went back to the early days of cinema i'd take a movie like
the first matrix movie and show it to an early filmmaker, like someone from
1932 when they were excited with their talkies. It'd totally captivate him, i
think. I'll tell him that's how the future is. The LOTR triology, played as if
they were one movie, would be another option.
Or i'd take a motorbike and race past some medieval horsemen or some camel
caravan on suitable terrain. Gotta wear a helmet too for the superhuman effect.
Or hey, a machine gun, though i wouldn't like to kill, but that'd get you some
serious respect and some "wow" factor, especially in some major prehistoric
battle. A grenade bomb would probably scare off an army. Though probably not,
those guys fought dragons!
I'd take a laptop filled with porn and show it to the monks in the levant. I'd
show them gang bangs, threesomes and swingers and tell them that's the social
norm of the future. I'd take a photo of their face when told that.
I'd take a DVD filled with text and show it to johan gutenberg. He'd be amazed
to see how many volumes are contained in this little thing.
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Since: Jun 11, 2004 Posts: 224
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:32 am
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nospamphoto.RemoveThis@none.com wrote in news:cb771q$1lgi$1@agate.berkeley.edu:
> Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> storage, that also takes AA batteries
When you try to use the GPS you would introduce the word "DOH!" to the
ancient civilization.
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Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/" target="_blank">http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/</a>
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Since: Jun 10, 2004 Posts: 126
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:38 am
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> nospamphoto.RemoveThis@none.com wrote:
> Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
> transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
> preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
>
> If you just happen to have a digital camera, say a Canon digital rebel
> (or D Mark II, or Nikon D2x, whatever) with a fully charged battery,
> and say a 1GB compact flash (heck, say a 10gb cf). How would you use
> it? It's unlikely that you'll be able to charge the battery once it's
> gone. If you will never make it back to our time, do you think the
> compact flash will retain its data for a few thousand years? Under
> the assumption that it might retain the data for a while, how would
> you shoot? Are you gonna shoot raw? JPG, what compression level? What
> do you think is more worthwhile to archeologists, 1000 medium grade
> pictures, or 500 higher grade pictures? Or 200 raw pictures?
>
> On the other hand, if you happen to have say a film camera, with a few
> roll of film, say 10-20, what would you do? For the sake of argument
> I'll assume the film camera also takes battery, but those batteries
> might last a bit longer. However, there's no place to buy additional
> battery or develop the film, so it's also unlikely that it will last a
> few thousand years for us to see anyway....
>
> If we change the scenario a bit, let's say you get 'rescued' after 3
> years, but you don't know that, but you are under the assumption that
> you will be rescued after some time, how would you use your camera to
> document this once in a lifetime never before possible encounter to
> the world? If you have your pick of equipment, what would it be?
> Whatever you pick, it has to fit in a backpack.
>
> Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> storage, that also takes AA batteries
>
> Or, I could use a fully mechanical film camera and some bulk films.
>
> Raymond
You obviously never saw the Gilligan's Island episode where they
recharged their radio batteries with coconut cups and water, or
whatever.
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Since: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 464
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:22 am
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I would probably take a Nikon F5. I would then seek out the ancestors
of a few key people, and use it to bash their skulls in.
Other than that, what possible use would I have for a camera that far
back? I'd be too busy trying to invent toilet paper...
- Al.
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Since: Jun 09, 2004 Posts: 689
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:50 am
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:48:42 +0000 (UTC), nospamphoto.RemoveThis@none.com wrote:
>Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
>transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
>preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
There are reasons that technological breakthroughs come when they do;
supporting technology must also be possible.
What would you do with any film you exposed? Did you also backpack
your chemicals?
How would you *view* your pics? Did you also pack in your papers? How
about a darkroom?
With digital, how do you view the pics?
Even just getting *water* will be a problem; there's a reason everyone
drank beer & wine: the water was really bad.
I seriously doubt that film, if unprocessed would last to today, *if*
it were discoverd in some dig.
A Compact flash card? It's plastic; plastic lasts a long time, but not
*that* long.
Then, as others have pointed out, technology, if sufficiently
advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.
However, let's say you could keep your magic private; digital, with a
laptop and a solar recharging unit, would be *far* easier to use than
film.
Film just requires too much technology that wouldn't be availabe to
you; as I said, even clean water will be a problem. A source of
reliable, white light would be another problem.
As for hoping that your pics will survive a thousand years or so
isn't, IMO, a reasonable hope.
Imagine: you've found some way to, say, package your film (laptop) so
that it actually survives. Can you imagine the howls of laughter from
other archeologists when someone announces the find?
Bill Funk
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:13 pm
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Sabineellen wrote:
> For example, if i went back to the early days of cinema i'd take a movie like
> the first matrix movie and show it to an early filmmaker, like someone from
> 1932 when they were excited with their talkies. It'd totally captivate him, i
> think. I'll tell him that's how the future is. The LOTR triology, played as if
> they were one movie, would be another option.
By doing that you would kill the initiative that in proper
evolution and creativity brought us to the point where films like
the Matrix could be made. Not that there was much point to the
stupid movie.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:45 pm
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"The DaveŠ" <no.DeleteThis@no.com> wrote in message
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> > nospamphoto.DeleteThis@none.com wrote:
> > Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
> > transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would you've
> > preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?
> >
> > If you just happen to have a digital camera, say a Canon digital rebel
> > (or D Mark II, or Nikon D2x, whatever) with a fully charged battery,
> > and say a 1GB compact flash (heck, say a 10gb cf). How would you use
> > it? It's unlikely that you'll be able to charge the battery once it's
> > gone. If you will never make it back to our time, do you think the
> > compact flash will retain its data for a few thousand years? Under
> > the assumption that it might retain the data for a while, how would
> > you shoot? Are you gonna shoot raw? JPG, what compression level? What
> > do you think is more worthwhile to archeologists, 1000 medium grade
> > pictures, or 500 higher grade pictures? Or 200 raw pictures?
> >
> > On the other hand, if you happen to have say a film camera, with a few
> > roll of film, say 10-20, what would you do? For the sake of argument
> > I'll assume the film camera also takes battery, but those batteries
> > might last a bit longer. However, there's no place to buy additional
> > battery or develop the film, so it's also unlikely that it will last a
> > few thousand years for us to see anyway....
> >
> > If we change the scenario a bit, let's say you get 'rescued' after 3
> > years, but you don't know that, but you are under the assumption that
> > you will be rescued after some time, how would you use your camera to
> > document this once in a lifetime never before possible encounter to
> > the world? If you have your pick of equipment, what would it be?
> > Whatever you pick, it has to fit in a backpack.
> >
> > Me, I think I'll take a DSLR that takes AA battery and a few GB of
> > compact flash, and a solar AA battery charger, and a GPS that writes
> > the tracklog to compact flash and virtually unlimited waypoint
> > storage, that also takes AA batteries
> >
> > Or, I could use a fully mechanical film camera and some bulk films.
> >
> > Raymond
>
> You obviously never saw the Gilligan's Island episode where they
> recharged their radio batteries with coconut cups and water, or
> whatever.
True. The Professor could make a nuclear reactor using sand and palm trees,
but couldn't fix a hole in a boat.
>
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