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Dudley Hanks

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:15 pm
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>> I'll bite on the questions of aliens, but the whole God debate I'll leave
>> to other forums, or you can e-mail me at hanks.dudley.RemoveThis@gmail.com for a
>> private dialectic.
>>
>> Regarding why we should care if alien crafts are sighted but do not
>> interact with us, well, wouldn't you be interested if you knew that an
>> invasion was iminent? Or, if you, yourself, kept seeing things you
>> couldn't rationally interpret, wouldn't you be concerned that you either
>> needed to upgrade your education or seek competant psychological
>> assistance?
>>
>> From the time of Plato and Aristotle, if not from the earliest wondering
>> contemplations of cavemen, the human race has sought to understand both
>> ourselves and the world around us. Why draw the line at the present
>> level of understanding and say, "Great, we now know enough to live
>> comfortably. Let's all just sit back and have a big retirement party!"
>>
>> As long as stuff happens that cannot be rationally explained, enquiring
>> minds will want explainations, and the search for explainations will
>> spawn inquisitorial discussions until solutions are settled upon.
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Dudley
>>
> Nope.....Not if I couldn't do anything about it, I wouldn't.
>
> And, I will leave wild ass speculation to the speculators who (apparently)
> need to have such things to speculate about.....In the meantime, I will
> speculate on or about those things that I have some hope of doing
> something about, or which can improve my circumstances. There are more
> than enough real unsolved problems in the society. Why should I bother
> with manufacturing imaginary problems that have no useful purpose or
> solution?
>

Fair enough. If one has never encountered a physical phenomena that one
cannot explain or rationalize with reference to one's own experience, then
it is easy enough to dismiss someone else who has seen something like an
unidentified flying object.

But, when others who have had such experiences and want to discuss them, I
think it is somewhat selfish to simply dismiss the enquirey as rubbish and
nonsense. Remember Mount St. Hellens? Living hundreds of miles away from
the mostly dormant volcano, I didn't really care that scientists were
predicting an eminant eruption. But, supposedly, there was some old guy who
had been living there all his life, and who had told everyone he didn't care
what the scientists were predicting because he had seen it all and heard it
all before. And, hey, nobody could remember the last time there was an
eruption, so it really was unlikely that it was going to affect him in any
way. And, hey, even if a bit of smoke and ash got spewed up in the air,
"What the hell?"

Supposedly the old guy was vapourised in the blast. And the ash trail was
detected well into Canada.

While I wouldn't exactly call myself a firm believer in aliens and their
flying fortresses, I like to think that I keep an open mind, so I won't be
taken entirely by surprise when ET parks his saucer in my backyard and wants
to rev up my cell.

Take Care,
Dudley

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:15 pm
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"Dudley Hanks" <hanks.dudley DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> I'll bite on the questions of aliens, but the whole God debate I'll
>>> leave to other forums, or you can e-mail me at hanks.dudley DeleteThis @gmail.com
>>> for a private dialectic.
>>>
>>> Regarding why we should care if alien crafts are sighted but do not
>>> interact with us, well, wouldn't you be interested if you knew that an
>>> invasion was iminent? Or, if you, yourself, kept seeing things you
>>> couldn't rationally interpret, wouldn't you be concerned that you either
>>> needed to upgrade your education or seek competant psychological
>>> assistance?
>>>
>>> From the time of Plato and Aristotle, if not from the earliest wondering
>>> contemplations of cavemen, the human race has sought to understand both
>>> ourselves and the world around us. Why draw the line at the present
>>> level of understanding and say, "Great, we now know enough to live
>>> comfortably. Let's all just sit back and have a big retirement party!"
>>>
>>> As long as stuff happens that cannot be rationally explained, enquiring
>>> minds will want explainations, and the search for explainations will
>>> spawn inquisitorial discussions until solutions are settled upon.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Dudley
>>>
>> Nope.....Not if I couldn't do anything about it, I wouldn't.
>>
>> And, I will leave wild ass speculation to the speculators who
>> (apparently) need to have such things to speculate about.....In the
>> meantime, I will speculate on or about those things that I have some hope
>> of doing something about, or which can improve my circumstances. There
>> are more than enough real unsolved problems in the society. Why should I
>> bother with manufacturing imaginary problems that have no useful purpose
>> or solution?
>>
>
> Fair enough. If one has never encountered a physical phenomena that one
> cannot explain or rationalize with reference to one's own experience, then
> it is easy enough to dismiss someone else who has seen something like an
> unidentified flying object.
>
> But, when others who have had such experiences and want to discuss them, I
> think it is somewhat selfish to simply dismiss the enquirey as rubbish and
> nonsense. Remember Mount St. Hellens? Living hundreds of miles away from
> the mostly dormant volcano, I didn't really care that scientists were
> predicting an eminant eruption. But, supposedly, there was some old guy
> who had been living there all his life, and who had told everyone he
> didn't care what the scientists were predicting because he had seen it all
> and heard it all before. And, hey, nobody could remember the last time
> there was an eruption, so it really was unlikely that it was going to
> affect him in any way. And, hey, even if a bit of smoke and ash got
> spewed up in the air, "What the hell?"
>
> Supposedly the old guy was vapourised in the blast. And the ash trail was
> detected well into Canada.
>
> While I wouldn't exactly call myself a firm believer in aliens and their
> flying fortresses, I like to think that I keep an open mind, so I won't be
> taken entirely by surprise when ET parks his saucer in my backyard and
> wants to rev up my cell.
>
> Take Care,
> Dudley
>
>
The geezer could have left. Presumably he knew that volcanoes had erupted in
the past, so I guess he was taking a calculated risk.....Scientists who
study volcanoes do the same thing. And, if I saw a flying saucer, I would
change my mind, (depending on exactly what I saw) But all I have seen is the
testimony of others whom I did not believe. The same kind of testimony that
tells me that bigfoot doesn't exist. (and that crop circles don't exist,
either)So, I will keep a "closed mind", until I get some substantiation.
Today, photographs aren't good enough. Not since, "2001 - A Space Odyssey"
You can just do too much with Photoshop to make photography believable. IOW,
when the little green men get around to kidnapping me, then I will change my
mind, but until then, I think it is a waste of time to speculate on such
things.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:44 pm
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"Marvin" <physchem.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Doc wrote:
> <snip>
>> Or do I have a mistaken notion of how powerful the available optics
>> are? The News stations show clear, distinct shots of the fast-moving
>> Space Shuttle when it's well into its trajectory on launch days, I
>> would guess from at least as far if not farther than these objects are
>> from the cameras. The above link is an incident that occurred over a
>> major city and apparently caused quite a buzz. *Nobody* there had good
>> gear they could whip out to take some pics?
>>
>> I would think a major city has astronomy buffs and universities who
>> have fairly sophisticated gear already set up to photograph distant
>> objects. Wouldn't capturing something at airliner altitude be quite
>> possible?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> The pix of the shuttle soon after takeoff are made through a special
> telescope, made by Perkin Elmer, as I recall. It allows the ground crews
> to monitor the takeoff closely, with the extra use - a plus for the
> image-concisions NASA - of providing dramatic shots for TV.
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Every day here on earth -
People transmit messages
To outer space!
The beings out there
are listening - but!
How dare they answer -?
When earth is such a disgrace.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:42 pm
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <dlzc1.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Dear William Graham:
>
> "William Graham" <weg9.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> ...
>> "Impossible" can mean many things to many people.
>> In theory, anything might be possible, especially to a
>> pure mathematician.
>
> Be a little careful with "in theory". Theory presumes some experimental
> underpinnings. I think you mean "imagination", rather than "theory".
>
>> But realistically, if you are going to bother to even
>> consider (and discuss) any problem, then you must consider the laws of
>> physics as we know
>> them to be today.
>
> Such as the quantum realm, where neither space nor time have any meaning?
> Where all particle-particle interactions travel all possible paths at all
> possible speeds (not limited to c)? Did you mean those *known* laws of
> physics? What we don't know is *why* it all seems to "pace" the way
> classical mechanics describes. Quantum mechanics is not keeping our butts
> on the planet.
>
>> And, in the light of those laws, it is extremely
>> unlikely that any object here on earth came
>> here from some other star system.
>
> Absolutely *no* correlation between what you understand of physics
> (today), and what a possible civilization that could be older than ours
> might be able to do. Hell, it does not limit "ETs" from being Earthling
> visitors from the future, ala the "Philadelphia experiment" or "Sphere".
> Only classical physics provides these limits. We already know physics
> that has no such limitations.
>
>> I have no objection to "flights of fantacy"
>> speculation, but just understand that when you
>> indulge it these, you are leaving the realm of
>> rational thought, and entering the realm of science fiction fantacy.
>
> Said about H.G. Wells, and a number of other folks. Seems like their
> flights act to guide us... either towards or away from any given path.
>
>> IOW, when I look up in the sky, and see
>> something that I do not understand, I will be
>> willing to believe almost anything about it
>> rather than speculate on it's origin being
>> outside of our own solar system.
>
> To each his / her own. Funny that you do not allow for physics that you
> do not yet know.
>
>> This is simply a practical matter based on all
>> the laws of physics that I have known (and
>> used) during my whole lifetime. I spent about
>> 30 years working at a high energy physics
>> laboratory chock full of people with PhD's in
>> physics. We used relativistic mechanics on a
>> daily basis to solve real problems involved with
>> the machines we built and used to investigate the make up of matter. I
>> can assure you that
>> these equations were reliable, and enabled us
>> to do our jobs well. We built and used
>> machines that cost the taxpayers over 100
>> million dollars using them, and they worked as
>> expected when completed. So, I am forced to
>> go with that technology unless and until I am
>> shown some other technology and had it
>> explained mathematically to me, and
>> demonstrated to me as well.
>
> Acknowledged.
>
> So your take is, they cannot take pictures of something that *cannot*
> exist? (Trying to drag this back to the thread topic.)
>
> David A. Smith
>
Apparently you did not understand me. I am talking about physics that is
known, proved, and demonstrated. There are many theories. And some of them
might be true. But unless and until they are demonstrated by experiment, the
world of classical physics does not accept them as established fact. The lab
I worked at was there just for that purpose. The theory department would
hatch up some outlandish idea, and they would discuss its merits, together
with the expense of testing it experimentally, and if it was feasible, they
would build and do the experiment. If the experiment costs too much, they
wouldn't. The superconducting super collider of the 80's is an example of
one that would cost too much to build, (30 billion dollars) so congress
turned them down.
The idea that beings from outer space can get here by jumping into a
parallel universe, walking across their street, and then step back into
ours, all in less time than it takes me to tell you about it is one of those
zany ideas that, while perhaps theoretically possible, is impossible to
prove experimentally, so it is in the realm of fantasy. Therefore, I am not
going to believe it. When it is demonstrated by experiment, then I will
accept it as established fact. This is not the exhibition of a closed mind.
On the contrary, it is just the practical application of the scientific
method. But hey! - You are free to speculate on the possibility of anything
you want. Perhaps the reason why I don't want to play is because I know that
there are thousands of such speculations going on all the time, and it takes
a lot of money to test even a very few of them. I spent thirty years of my
working life observing just how much money, and just how few of them could
be tested as a result.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:02 am
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>>> But realistically, if you are going to bother to even
>>> consider (and discuss) any problem, then you must consider the laws of
>>> physics as we know
>>> them to be today.
>>
Somehow, I'm glad the scientific establishment doesn't have the authority to
imprison / torture people for scientific herassy.

What is that I hear? Is it a body or two (or three) rolling over in their
famous tombs?

Can't help feeling like I've somehow slipped backwards in time a few hundred
years,
Dudley
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:02 am
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"Dudley Hanks" <hanks.dudley.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> But realistically, if you are going to bother to even
>>>> consider (and discuss) any problem, then you must consider the laws of
>>>> physics as we know
>>>> them to be today.
>>>
> Somehow, I'm glad the scientific establishment doesn't have the authority
> to imprison / torture people for scientific herassy.
>
> What is that I hear? Is it a body or two (or three) rolling over in their
> famous tombs?
>
> Can't help feeling like I've somehow slipped backwards in time a few
> hundred years,
> Dudley
>
>
>
Yes. - Well, when you can give an unlimited supply of money to the
scientific establishment, so they can build and operate an experiment to
test every zany idea that the Sci Fi boys can come up with, then you can
complain about the stogy "scientific establishment." Unfortunately, today,
it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to build machines that are capable
of testing even the most simple theories of how this universe is
constructed. As a matter of fact, the modern physics teacher is hesitant
about telling his students that they should go into high energy physics at
all......Perhaps they would be better off writing science fiction.......
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:21 am
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.... The theory department would
> hatch up some outlandish idea,

"theory department" ? Give me a break.

Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
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"Rick Merrill" <rick0.merrill.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ... The theory department would
>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>
> "theory department" ? Give me a break.
>
> Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
>
>

I have a theory about that ........................
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"SteveB" <meagain@rockvilleUSA> wrote in message
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> "Rick Merrill" <rick0.merrill.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> ... The theory department would
>>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>>
>> "theory department" ? Give me a break.
>>
>> Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
>>
>>
>
> I have a theory about that ........................
>
Now, Steve, are you sure it's not a fantasy?
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:02 pm
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"Dudley Hanks" <hanks.dudley.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "SteveB" <meagain@rockvilleUSA> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Rick Merrill" <rick0.merrill.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> ... The theory department would
>>>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>>>
>>> "theory department" ? Give me a break.
>>>
>>> Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have a theory about that ........................
>>
> Now, Steve, are you sure it's not a fantasy?

I'm positive. It involves no nude females or small farm animals.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:46 pm
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Rick Merrill wrote:
> ... The theory department would
>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>
> "theory department" ? Give me a break.
>
> Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
>
>

Depends on where you're posting from.

From r.p.e.35mm perspective, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the
other bull**** threads we endure. ;-D
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:18 pm
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"Rick Merrill" <rick0.merrill.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ... The theory department would
>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>
> "theory department" ? Give me a break.

What break? - They called it the theory group.
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Pudentame wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> ... The theory department would
>>> hatch up some outlandish idea,
>>
>> "theory department" ? Give me a break.
>>
>> Hasn't this gotten sufficiently OT yet?
>>
>>
>
> Depends on where you're posting from.
>
> From r.p.e.35mm perspective, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the
> other bull**** threads we endure. ;-D

LOL!
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:49 am
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Dear Doc:

On Feb 19, 3:41 pm, Doc <docsavag....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
> I'm wondering why it is, in all the incidents of "UFO"
> sightings, including some that have made the news,
> any images that aren't obvious hoaxes (and many
> that are) are always grainy, shaky, indistinct blobs
> blurs, pinpoint lights etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/22/spy.satellite.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText
... select the second picture.

This was an event they knew was coming, could put all sorts of
resources into documenting, and was only x2 to x5 further away than
some the "effects" you complain about (and "straight" out of the
atmosphere).

Not to restart a fire here...

David A. Smith
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