Looking for large-scale photo printing equipment.

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 > What you are looking for is a "plotter", not a printer. I have a six
 > colour HP photo quality plotter. It cost $25,000 AUD when new - I bought
 > it secondhand.

We have one of those here. It's interesting how economical the media is
compared to desktop units.

 > The biggest problem I have is customers with small files expecting five
 > foot wide photos to look as sharp as a 6"x4" !

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Markku wrote:


 > I'm looking for equipment to print large amounts of digital photos for
 > commercial use.

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 > I would appreaciate if someone can tell me which kind of equipment is
 > used for this. Is it large scale ink-jet printers that are used in
 > commercial digital photo delivering, or some other technique?


Epson 4000, 7600, 9600, 10600.
HP DesignJet (several models)
Canon also has several wide-format printers.

Those within your price range include the
Epson 4000 and HP DesignJet 130, or possibly
the smallest of the Canon "Pro" models.

You can get a refurbished 7600 for under $2k.

You might also check out the Kodak dye-sub
printers, as long as you're dealing with
small prints (letter size or smaller.)


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"Markku" <eipostia DeleteThis @invalid.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > Hi.
 >
 > I'm looking for equipment to print large amounts of digital photos for
 > commercial use.
 >
 > Meaning would be to open Web-service where people can send their digital
 > photos, I would print them on paper, and send pictures for them in mail.
 >
 >
 > I have Googled for "photo printing" etc. but all I get is small
 > photo-printers for home use. Best being $700 ink-jet printers from epson
 > and canon.
 >
 > I would need high quality and low cost per photo. I could pay maybe
 > $2000 - $10.000 for the "printer".
 >
 >
 > I would appreaciate if someone can tell me which kind of equipment is
 > used for this. Is it large scale ink-jet printers that are used in
 > commercial digital photo delivering, or some other technique?
 >
Try $100K and up. Most commercial labs use Noritsu, Agfa or Fuji (to name 3)
minilabs. These machines use RA/4 colour photo chemical processes so a 4x6
is around 4¢ each. They can print up to 12x18". Hard to beat a Fuji Crystal
Archive print at a 4¢ net versus a 50¢ to $1.00 ink jet 4x6, or an more
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On 3/22/2005 2:15 PM Darrell spake thus:

 > "Markku" <eipostia DeleteThis @invalid.net> wrote in message
 > news:O200e.953$7W4.651@read3.inet.fi...
  >>
  >> I'm looking for equipment to print large amounts of digital photos for
  >> commercial use.
  >>
  >> Meaning would be to open Web-service where people can send their digital
  >> photos, I would print them on paper, and send pictures for them in mail.
  >>
  >> I have Googled for "photo printing" etc. but all I get is small
  >> photo-printers for home use. Best being $700 ink-jet printers from epson
  >> and canon.
  >>
  >> I would need high quality and low cost per photo. I could pay maybe
  >> $2000 - $10.000 for the "printer".
  >>
  >> I would appreaciate if someone can tell me which kind of equipment is
  >> used for this. Is it large scale ink-jet printers that are used in
  >> commercial digital photo delivering, or some other technique?
 >
 > Try $100K and up. Most commercial labs use Noritsu, Agfa or Fuji (to name 3)
 > minilabs. These machines use RA/4 colour photo chemical processes so a 4x6
 > is around 4¢ each. They can print up to 12x18". Hard to beat a Fuji Crystal
 > Archive print at a 4¢ net versus a 50¢ to $1.00 ink jet 4x6, or an more
 > expensive dye-sublimination print.

I'm guessing this is *not* what the OP was asking for: I think he was asking
about more conventional types of digital printers (e.g., inkjet).

However, it's an intriguing idea. The quality of the prints made on a Fuji or
Noritsu is WAY better than any inkjet I've seen. And cheaper too, according to
you.

Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you could
score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this might be the
way to go.


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Darrell wrote:

 > Try $100K and up. Most commercial labs use Noritsu, Agfa or Fuji (to name 3)
 > minilabs. These machines use RA/4 colour photo chemical processes so a 4x6
 > is around 4¢ each. They can print up to 12x18". Hard to beat a Fuji Crystal
 > Archive print at a 4¢ net versus a 50¢ to $1.00 ink jet 4x6, or an more
 > expensive dye-sublimination print.


I'm waiting for a Desktop LightJet.

Seriously tho, Fuji Pictrography is a step
in that direction. More like $20K, I think,
for 11x17" output. The small (old) Fuji
can be had pre-owned for a few $K.

IIRC, there's at least one version of the
Noritsu minilab that uses inkjet as the
output device.


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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:25:02 GMT, Markku wrote:

 > I have Googled for "photo printing" etc. but all I get is small
 > photo-printers for home use. Best being $700 ink-jet printers from epson
 > and canon.
 >
 > I would need high quality and low cost per photo. I could pay maybe
 > $2000 - $10.000 for the "printer".

I don't know if any of these would meet your needs since all I
know of them is what I've seen in their ads. The first is probably
well under $2000 to get started. Whether the latter two can be had
for under $10,000 I can't say, but it's a possibility. They don't
mention cost per photo, so don't get your hopes up too soon.

1. Media Street advertises "cost competitive inks and papers" for
Epson and Canon inkjet desktop and wide format printers. They say
their products are distributed exclusively in the USA by Hasselblad
(see <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hasselbladusa.com" target="_blank">www.hasselbladusa.com</a> to find a Media Street dealer, or call
(973) 227-7320). Their ad shows an inkjet printer with hoses
connecting it to a transparent external tank holding 5 or 6 large
ink bottles, possibly 8 oz, or more each. This may be their Niagra
II continuous flow ink system, and they say they can cut the cost of
ink by up to 90%. They also say that they can provide a much wider
range of paper weights and finishes, long life pigment inks, etc.

2. Mitsubishi's CP-9500DW (fast, high volume, dye-sub printer).
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mitsubishi-imaging.com." target="_blank">www.mitsubishi-imaging.com.</a> USA: (888) 307-0388. Canada: (905)
475-7728.

3. Kodak Professional Digital Photo Printers. Like Mitsubishi,
their ad shows another big box but Kodak doesn't provide details,
other than it can produce prints in as little as 13 seconds. More
info. at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.kodak.com/go/digitalprinters" target="_blank">www.kodak.com/go/digitalprinters</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In rec.photo.equipment.large-format David Nebenzahl <nobody DeleteThis @but.us.chickens> wrote:
 > I'm guessing this is *not* what the OP was asking for: I think he was asking
 > about more conventional types of digital printers (e.g., inkjet).
 >
 > However, it's an intriguing idea. The quality of the prints made on a Fuji or
 > Noritsu is WAY better than any inkjet I've seen. And cheaper too, according to
 > you.
 >
 > Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you could
 > score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this might be the
 > way to go.


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://minilab.ca/english.html" target="_blank">http://minilab.ca/english.html</a>

I got a bunch of RA-4 and C-41 chemicals when some one "upgraded" to a new
Fuji machine that used some sort of special chemicals setup. No need to mix
anything but intially could only be bought from Fuji.

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In article <4240A093.9040505 DeleteThis @but.us.chickens>,
  David Nebenzahl <nobody DeleteThis @but.us.chickens> writes:
 >
 > On 3/22/2005 2:15 PM Darrell spake thus:
 >
  >> Try $100K and up. Most commercial labs use Noritsu, Agfa or Fuji (to name 3)
  >> minilabs.
 >
 > Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you could
 > score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this might be the
 > way to go.

Try typing "minilab" in the eBay search field. There are lots of hits, but
I don't know enough about them to advise the OP further, assuming this is
the sort of thing he wants.

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"David Nebenzahl" <nobody.RemoveThis@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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 > On 3/22/2005 2:15 PM Darrell spake thus:
 >
  > > "Markku" <eipostia.RemoveThis@invalid.net> wrote in message
  > > news:O200e.953$7W4.651@read3.inet.fi...
   > >>
   > >> I'm looking for equipment to print large amounts of digital photos for
   > >> commercial use.
   > >>
   > >> Meaning would be to open Web-service where people can send their
digital
   > >> photos, I would print them on paper, and send pictures for them in
mail.
   > >>
   > >> I have Googled for "photo printing" etc. but all I get is small
   > >> photo-printers for home use. Best being $700 ink-jet printers from
epson
   > >> and canon.
   > >>
   > >> I would need high quality and low cost per photo. I could pay maybe
   > >> $2000 - $10.000 for the "printer".
   > >>
   > >> I would appreaciate if someone can tell me which kind of equipment is
   > >> used for this. Is it large scale ink-jet printers that are used in
   > >> commercial digital photo delivering, or some other technique?
  > >
  > > Try $100K and up. Most commercial labs use Noritsu, Agfa or Fuji (to
name 3)
  > > minilabs. These machines use RA/4 colour photo chemical processes so a
4x6
  > > is around 4¢ each. They can print up to 12x18". Hard to beat a Fuji
Crystal
  > > Archive print at a 4¢ net versus a 50¢ to $1.00 ink jet 4x6, or an more
  > > expensive dye-sublimination print.
 >
 > I'm guessing this is *not* what the OP was asking for: I think he was
asking
 > about more conventional types of digital printers (e.g., inkjet).
 >
 > However, it's an intriguing idea. The quality of the prints made on a Fuji
or
 > Noritsu is WAY better than any inkjet I've seen. And cheaper too,
according to
 > you.
 >
 > Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you
could
 > score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this might be
the
 > way to go.
 >
There are used machines available, shops do upgrade or worse fold leaving
used equipment on the market. Try: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phototrader.com" target="_blank">http://www.phototrader.com</a> as they
specialize in that market.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Markku" <eipostia.RemoveThis@invalid.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > Hi.
 >
 > I'm looking for equipment to print large amounts of digital photos for
 > commercial use.
 >
 > Meaning would be to open Web-service where people can send their digital
 > photos, I would print them on paper, and send pictures for them in mail.
 >
 >
 > I have Googled for "photo printing" etc. but all I get is small
 > photo-printers for home use. Best being $700 ink-jet printers from epson
 > and canon.
 >
 > I would need high quality and low cost per photo. I could pay maybe
 > $2000 - $10.000 for the "printer".
 >
 >
 > I would appreaciate if someone can tell me which kind of equipment is
 > used for this. Is it large scale ink-jet printers that are used in
 > commercial digital photo delivering, or some other technique?
 >
 > Thanks
 >
 > Markku

Epson makes a printer intended for the pro studio photographer. You "rent"
the machine and buy the consumables from Epson. I think the cost per 8x10
print is in the one to two dollar range.

The Fuji Frontier at your local WalMart basically scans a negative, and
laser prints a digital image unto silver-image photographic (RA-4) paper.
This system (and many other brands like it, such as Durst and Noritsu) can
be easily configured to recieve digital images online or from various types
of storage media. The cost per 8x10 varies depending on the paper and
chemicals used, but $0.25 to $0.50 per 8x10 would be a ballpark figure. The
cost of the printer also varies greatly, depending on configuration, service
contracts, lease/buy agreements, etc., but $50K to $250K would be another
ballpark (actually, more like the entire stadium!).

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"David Nebenzahl" <nobody.DeleteThis@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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 > Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you
 > could score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this
 > might be the way to go.

We have a number of printing companies here. Apparently, some of these giant
ink-jet printers and plotters have no value after a several years because
they go to the dumpsters. The same thing happened to the many Polaroid MP*
cameras and lenses - all in dumpsters. Of course, there's eBay to give them
value again because they go to an external market region - the world of
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jjs wrote:
 > "David Nebenzahl" <nobody RemoveThis @but.us.chickens> wrote in message
 > news:4240A093.9040505@but.us.chickens...
 >
 >
  >>Question is, is there a market for used equipment of this type? If you
  >>could score a machine for half or less of the $100K you mentioned, this
  >>might be the way to go.
 >
 >
 > We have a number of printing companies here. Apparently, some of these giant
 > ink-jet printers and plotters have no value after a several years because
 > they go to the dumpsters. The same thing happened to the many Polaroid MP*
 > cameras and lenses - all in dumpsters. Of course, there's eBay to give them
 > value again because they go to an external market region - the world of
 > junque.


All digital gear goes to dumpsters, often sooner
rather than later. That's the price of life in
the fast lane.

My old Nikon FE should be in a dumpster at this point,
but for some sentimental value. The newer FE body
from eBay is going strong.

FWIW, I'm getting nice prints from a five or six
year old Epson 7000 wide format printer. It could
die tomorrow, but for now (knock wood) it's doing
its job nicely.



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Darrell wrote:
 >
 > There are used machines available, shops do upgrade or worse fold leaving
 > used equipment on the market. Try: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.phototrader.com" target="_blank">http://www.phototrader.com</a> as they
 > specialize in that market.

I'd watch newspapers for auction notices, too.

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