How ro create dark, rich, saturated colors with good contr..

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<uraniumcommittee RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Annie Leibovitz is crap. Why the fuck would you want to copy her shit?
 > Get a life.
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In article <lxjGd.7648$C52.5541@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"photo35744" <photo35744 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
 > Ditto!

I see that foul mouthed little scum wad is up to business as usual.
He's been in my kill file so long I grown to be accustom to the silence.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"LawrenceT" <lawrencet.RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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 > Folks,
 > There's a ton of color photography these days where the overall look is
 > dark
 > and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast. A good example is
 > the work Annie Leibovitz does especially the Feb cover of Vanity Fair
 > magazine. Can anyone explain what the effect is and how to create it ?
 >
 > Thanks as always for your generous assistance !
 >
 >

Digital? Or Ilfochromes from slides? You also cannot judge a print in a
magazine as there is a great deal of pre-press work done and the inks used
in printing are vastly different.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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LawrenceT wrote:

 > Folks,
 > There's a ton of color photography these days where the overall look is dark
 > and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast. A good example is
 > the work Annie Leibovitz does especially the Feb cover of Vanity Fair
 > magazine. Can anyone explain what the effect is and how to create it ?
 >
 > Thanks as always for your generous assistance !

While I am not a fan of Ms. Leibovitz, and I think Vanity Fair could use
someone else to gain more appeal, the style of her photography is fairly
consistent in recent times. Most of her cover work is done using the Mamiya
RZ67, meaning a large 6x7 piece of film as a starter. On several occasions, she
has used several shots to combine into one final image. The film is drum
scanned, and then composited as needed.

I suspect there is not much done to alter the original transparency film, to
get to the cover. Offset printing used inks and techniques that are tough to
achieve in one off prints, especially chemical prints. While the exact print
might be a challenge, the look should not be tough to copy. If you want more on
Vanity Fair printing specs, contact them for a media kit, which will include
the printing specifications.

The somewhat dark and rich look can be achieved with a variety of newer films
now on the market, without worry of unnatural skin tones. Ms. Leibovitz also
uses a truck load of carefully placed and adjusted lights. The usually dark
backgrounds, some black bounces, or just dark interiors around the subjects
contributes to the rich look. The saturation and contrast are mostly a property
of the film, with many transparency films offering this high contrast and
saturation.

Getting the look onto one chemical photo print can be done using a LightJet,
Chromira or similar printing system. If you want more information about high
quality printing of transparencies, and a good place that many professionals
use for printing, check out <http://www.duggal.com>.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
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Shadez of Perception. wrote:
 >
 > I see that foul mouthed little scum wad is up to business as usual.
 > He's been in my kill file so long I grown to be accustom to the silence.

I hate when people quote him, because those miss the kill filter......<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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LawrenceT wrote:

 > Folks,
 > There's a ton of color photography these days where the overall look is dark
 > and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast. A good example is
 > the work Annie Leibovitz does especially the Feb cover of Vanity Fair
 > magazine. Can anyone explain what the effect is and how to create it ?
 >
 > Thanks as always for your generous assistance !
 >
 >
At the printing stage, saturation can be increased as follows (I am quoting from
I post I made four years ago):

The technique is described in the booklet "Perfect Color Printing" from
Photo Techniques Magazine. It was stated there for the EP-2 method, but
I have successfully applied it to RA-4 chemistry.

Here are the steps:

1. Expose as normal
2. Develop in color developer as normal
3. Fix in B&W fixer for 2 minutes
4. Wash thoroughly
5. Bleach in 2.5% solution of potassium ferricyanide (w/ 7g potassium
bromide) for 2 minutes +
6. Wash thoroughly
7. Redevelop in color developer
8. Either repeat from step 4 to further increase saturation or use
bleach-fix as normal
9. Wash and dry.

The reason it works is explained by Dr. Chapman in his article "The
Photochemistry of the Anderson Method" contained in the same booklet.
There are always unused color couplers in conventional color emulsions.
Recycling the silver halides allows the activation of further color
couplers from the appropriate dye layer.


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uraniumcommittee RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

 > <unresponsive, mean and vile language snipped leaving nothing>
 >

Michael,

Try reading the original poster's query and try, then, to give a meaningful,
responsive answer.


Francis A. Miniter<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I did. Why anyone thinks she's any good at all is beyond comprehension.
 >> Stay informed about: How ro create dark, rich, saturated colors with good contr.. 

uraniumcommittee.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
 > I did. Why anyone thinks she's any good at all is beyond comprehension.
 >

Where in your answer did you either explain the effect ("dark
and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast") or state how to create
it? Those were the questions. Liebowitz was just an example the OP used to
illustrate what he wanted to achieve.


Francis A. Miniter<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: How ro create dark, rich, saturated colors with good contr.. 

"Where in your answer did you either explain the effect ("dark
and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast") or state how to
create
it? Those were the questions. Liebowitz was just an example the OP used
to
illustrate what he wanted to achieve."
Use good equipment, lighting, and film.
 >> Stay informed about: How ro create dark, rich, saturated colors with good contr.. 

"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.DeleteThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
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 > uraniumcommittee.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
  >> I did. Why anyone thinks she's any good at all is beyond comprehension.
  >>
 >
 > Where in your answer did you either explain the effect ("dark
 > and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast") or state how to
 > create it? Those were the questions. Liebowitz was just an example the
 > OP used to illustrate what he wanted to achieve.
 >
 >
 > Francis A. Miniter

Francis,

I know you know, but it's just not worth it.

Jim<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Jim Phelps wrote:
 > "Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.DeleteThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
 > news:41eb403e_3@news1.prserv.net...
 >
  >>uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com wrote:
  >>
   >>>I did. Why anyone thinks she's any good at all is beyond comprehension.
   >>>
  >>
  >>Where in your answer did you either explain the effect ("dark
  >>and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast") or state how to
  >>create it? Those were the questions. Liebowitz was just an example the
  >>OP used to illustrate what he wanted to achieve.
  >>
  >>
  >>Francis A. Miniter
 >
 >
 > Francis,
 >
 > I know you know, but it's just not worth it.
 >
 > Jim
 >
 >
Alas, his response to my last post was incomprehensible.


Francis A. Miniter<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Thanks to all for your assistance, I'm testing... testing... testing so
hopefully will crack the code on this sooner rather than later... thanks
again

LT




"Gordon Moat" <moat RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message
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 > LawrenceT wrote:
 >
  > > Folks,
  > > There's a ton of color photography these days where the overall look is
dark
  > > and rich, yet with saturated colors and good contrast. A good example
is
  > > the work Annie Leibovitz does especially the Feb cover of Vanity Fair
  > > magazine. Can anyone explain what the effect is and how to create it ?
  > >
  > > Thanks as always for your generous assistance !
 >
 > While I am not a fan of Ms. Leibovitz, and I think Vanity Fair could use
 > someone else to gain more appeal, the style of her photography is fairly
 > consistent in recent times. Most of her cover work is done using the
Mamiya
 > RZ67, meaning a large 6x7 piece of film as a starter. On several
occasions, she
 > has used several shots to combine into one final image. The film is drum
 > scanned, and then composited as needed.
 >
 > I suspect there is not much done to alter the original transparency film,
to
 > get to the cover. Offset printing used inks and techniques that are tough
to
 > achieve in one off prints, especially chemical prints. While the exact
print
 > might be a challenge, the look should not be tough to copy. If you want
more on
 > Vanity Fair printing specs, contact them for a media kit, which will
include
 > the printing specifications.
 >
 > The somewhat dark and rich look can be achieved with a variety of newer
films
 > now on the market, without worry of unnatural skin tones. Ms. Leibovitz
also
 > uses a truck load of carefully placed and adjusted lights. The usually
dark
 > backgrounds, some black bounces, or just dark interiors around the
subjects
 > contributes to the rich look. The saturation and contrast are mostly a
property
 > of the film, with many transparency films offering this high contrast and
 > saturation.
 >
 > Getting the look onto one chemical photo print can be done using a
LightJet,
 > Chromira or similar printing system. If you want more information about
high
 > quality printing of transparencies, and a good place that many
professionals
 > use for printing, check out <http://www.duggal.com>.
 >
 > Ciao!
 >
 > Gordon Moat
 > A G Studio
 > <http://www.allgstudio.com>
 >
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