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Alan Browne

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:43 pm
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:17 pm, Alan Browne
> wrote:
>> IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:
>>> Canons support auto-duplex on many of their models. ip4000 and
>>> higher without a doubt, with some older models in the ip3xxx that
>>> did, but current ones do not.
>> I don't think any pro level pigment printers do duplex. For example the
>> Epson 3800 (which I have) and the Canon iPF5000 are the the class of
>> printers I'm referring to. It would be minor child's play to add an
>> inkjet to the bottom.
>
> Well, except for the fact that inkjets do use gravity to print, well
> for the most part AFAIK. I've seen a couple horizontal mounted heads,
> but not many, in fact only one. I'm presuming you're talking about
> dual print heads, not dual printers.

I have wondered if that would be a problem, but I'm sure for the quality
required, there is a solution.

>>> This is a software problem. One would have to make photo print
>>> software that will handle this, but there is a drawback to shoving
>>> your photos twice through a printer. On my Epson I'd fear the pizza
>>> wheels.
>> Indeed, and another reason for a 'bottom' print head just for text.
>
> Not so good for ejection, but certainly good for the edges. But if
> this is what you want, I don't think an upside down inkjet is really
> the solution. For the space, something like a thermal transfer ribbon
> would probably be the ticket. It's more likely to stick to the
> various back coatings of papers. If not dot matrix, slightly
> larger.

Barring my usual dislike for ribbons, yes.

> I had such a unit at one point. I forget the model number but it was
> an IBM a3 with tractor feeds, but good tractorless support. The
> ribbon was only good for 360,000 characters and cost, well IIRC
> somewhere between $10 and $20. I remember only vaguely as it cost
> like 8c to 17c/page presuming 3k/page. To give some indication of the
> time period, I replaced it with a Panasonic 4450i laser.
>
> TallyGenicom might have a solution, but the in cost for something like
> an a2 dot matrix would have an extraordinary pricetag. The
> TallyGenicom 2280+ is only a3+ or slightly larger and it's $2000. I
> don't know if they have any a2 models outside of their line printer
> class, which is obviously more than what you need.
>
> But either way it's an extra huge printer, and extra work to double
> feed, which is likely the last thing you want to do, well, unless you
> have a printer that doesn't affect paper.

I'm thinking that as the paper is fed to the color printer it can be
(near) simultaneously printed on the bottom.

> I hate to say it but labels seem the most viable option. Printjob to
> the 4800, profile data to a lesser printer. If it's backed with a
> plastic coating, I don't imagine the adhesive would be that much of an
> issue, well, depending on what adhesive used.
>
> I know photographs are typically printed with date information on the
> back in blue or black ink. I've always meant to ask what they used to
> do it.

I believe that's built into the photo printer.




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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:41 pm
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>
> I print about five 8x10's per week with some 12x18's.
>
> Overall, however, not that big a deal. �I'd get angry if it happened on
> a large print (24x16") as that's a lot of ink wasted, but to date has
> happened on 10x8" (ish) prints.
>
Alan

I print 100 or more prints a week and always run a Nozzle Check before
each printing session. I have an Epson 4800. Almost any paper will
work. I rotate and flip the test sheet so I get 4 nozzle checks for
each sheet. Then if there is a problem I catch it before the ink cost
is significant. I have never had a head clog during a printing
session.

Bob AZ

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Arthur Entlich

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:28 am
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Actually OG, I wasn't "replying to your post" I was replying to a
publicly posted thread of conversation, which you may have entered into.
If you want to be foolish and stand by some "stick in the mud"
protocol, rather than gain potential edification, then please feel free
to remain ignorant and do me a big favor, and block my address so you do
not see my postings. Then I won't, at least as far as you'll know, be
"responding to your postings".

I have no intention of "not responding" to specific postings by specific
people in a public group which I wish to reply to.

I respond to threads and discussions that interest me or for which I
have some value to add. If you don't want people to respond to your
postings, don't place them in a public forum.

Public newsgroups are about sharing of information among all the members
who wish to read the postings. I am not just responding to "you" for
"your" advantage.

Happy Holidays.

Art


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OG wrote:
> "Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
>
>> If I were developing such a printer, I would consider using a thermal
>> ribbon head for the under-printing.
>>
>> These heads don't require any maintenance as they don't clog, they are
>> very small heated dot matrix heads that use a bit of movement but mainly
>> heat to "type". They are quite small, only need to have contact with the
>> paper surface, can print to most surfaces because they transfer the "ink"
>> from the ribbon to the surface, in fact, some printing sticks well to
>> plastic coated papers. They are fast, but not high res usually, they last
>> a long time, are pretty quiet.
>>
>> You would have to replace the ribbon now and again. The ribbon is used up
>> as characters are printed.
>>
>> The other approach is heat sensitive paper surface and a thermal head like
>> older fax machines used, but that means special paper and it is more
>> vulnerable to fade or go dark with time.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>>
>> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>>
>> OG wrote:
>>> "Alan Browne" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Paul Furman wrote:
>>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> It would be very, very nice if photo printers would print data on the
>>>>>> back of photos with whatever info the photographer likes in plain B&W
>>>>>> at the same time that they print the photo on the otherside. eg:
>>>>>> Selected EXIF data, comments, copyright and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to run the photo paper through a printer as I think the
>>>>>> photo side might get marred (pre or post photo print).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I get lab prints they usually have data printed on the back
>>>>>> (date, tint/color offsets, frame number...)
>>>>> Yeah that would be nice though some papers are only printable on one
>>>>> side.
>>>> As photos. But the back would only be printed with some data.
>>>>
>>> But IME, ink isn't absorbed onto the back of photo paper, so it either
>>> 'beads', or simply rubs off.
>>>
>
> Arthur, if will you insist on top-posting, I'd rather you didn't reply to my
> posts.
>
>
>
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OG

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:26 am
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"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message

> Actually OG, I wasn't "replying to your post" I was replying to a
> publicly posted thread of conversation, which you may have entered into.

No, you were replying to my post.

See how responding in the 'right' place makes sense. No, need to add any
more.
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measekite

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:27 pm
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:28:42 -0800, Arthur Entlich wrote:

> Actually OG, I wasn't "replying to your post" I was replying to a
> publicly posted thread of conversation, which you may have entered into.
> If you want to be foolish and stand by some "stick in the mud"
> protocol, rather than gain potential edification, then please feel free
> to remain ignorant and do me a big favor, and block my address so you do
> not see my postings. Then I won't, at least as far as you'll know, be
> "responding to your postings".



There is the holy one. Think his don;t stink. If you top post maybe you
should not reply to anyone. Just talk to yourself
>
> I have no intention of "not responding" to specific postings by specific
> people in a public group which I wish to reply to.


Wowee. The know it all.
>
> I respond to threads and discussions that interest me or for which I
> have some value to add. If you don't want people to respond to your
> postings, don't place them in a public forum.

Most of the time you are a bag of wind with little value to add. I find
most of your posts very long and very boring.
>
> Public newsgroups are about sharing of information among all the members


Yeah like using OEM ink that is best.


> who wish to read the postings. I am not just responding to "you" for
> "your" advantage.
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
> Art
>
>
> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>
> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>
> OG wrote:
>> "Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
>>
>>> If I were developing such a printer, I would consider using a thermal
>>> ribbon head for the under-printing.
>>>
>>> These heads don't require any maintenance as they don't clog, they are
>>> very small heated dot matrix heads that use a bit of movement but
>>> mainly heat to "type". They are quite small, only need to have
>>> contact with the paper surface, can print to most surfaces because
>>> they transfer the "ink" from the ribbon to the surface, in fact, some
>>> printing sticks well to plastic coated papers. They are fast, but not
>>> high res usually, they last a long time, are pretty quiet.
>>>
>>> You would have to replace the ribbon now and again. The ribbon is
>>> used up as characters are printed.
>>>
>>> The other approach is heat sensitive paper surface and a thermal head
>>> like older fax machines used, but that means special paper and it is
>>> more vulnerable to fade or go dark with time.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>>> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>>>
>>> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>>>
>>> OG wrote:
>>>> "Alan Browne" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> Paul Furman wrote:
>>>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> It would be very, very nice if photo printers would print data on
>>>>>>> the back of photos with whatever info the photographer likes in
>>>>>>> plain B&W at the same time that they print the photo on the
>>>>>>> otherside. eg: Selected EXIF data, comments, copyright and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to run the photo paper through a printer as I think
>>>>>>> the photo side might get marred (pre or post photo print).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I get lab prints they usually have data printed on the back
>>>>>>> (date, tint/color offsets, frame number...)
>>>>>> Yeah that would be nice though some papers are only printable on
>>>>>> one side.
>>>>> As photos. But the back would only be printed with some data.
>>>>>
>>>> But IME, ink isn't absorbed onto the back of photo paper, so it
>>>> either 'beads', or simply rubs off.
>>>>
>>>>
>> Arthur, if will you insist on top-posting, I'd rather you didn't reply
>> to my posts.
>>
>>
>>
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:27 pm
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0000, OG wrote:

> "Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
>
>> Actually OG, I wasn't "replying to your post" I was replying to a
>> publicly posted thread of conversation, which you may have entered into.
>
> No, you were replying to my post.
>
> See how responding in the 'right' place makes sense. No, need to add any
> more.

Thats right. He just thinks he is wonderful. I do not think so and it
appears you are in agreement.
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measekite

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:39 pm
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:19 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>> Have you had any clogging issues with your 3800. How often do you print?
>> What about the wasted in when you switch from glossy to matte when it
>> purges the blacks.
>
> I've had two clogs in the past few months. In each case there were
> faint lines on the print. Running the Epson pattern check cleared it,
> though I wish they had a better method.

That seems similar to what I read. A friend of mine has a 3800. He keeps
his turned off. He prints about once a month. He usually prints 16x20.
He is claiming he never has seen a clog.

I wonder if he may have had one with a faint line like you but did not
notice it. It is hard for me to understand that going that long between
turning it on would never produce a clog.

>
> I go a week or so w/o printing - no problems. The clog may occur in the
> middle of a run of several photos.


That is really strange. It seems you need to inspect each photo before
you print another.
>
> I print about five 8x10's per week with some 12x18's.


If the largest you print is a 12x18 why didn't you opt for the 2880.
Reports say the image quality is about the same as the 3800.

>
> Overall, however, not that big a deal. I'd get angry if it happened on
> a large print (24x16") as that's a lot of ink wasted, but to date has
> happened on 10x8" (ish) prints.
>
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:39 pm
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:41:47 -0800, Bob AZ wrote:

>>
>> I print about five 8x10's per week with some 12x18's.
>>
>> Overall, however, not that big a deal. �I'd get angry if it happened on
>> a large print (24x16") as that's a lot of ink wasted, but to date has
>> happened on 10x8" (ish) prints.
>>
> Alan
>
> I print 100 or more prints a week and always run a Nozzle Check before
> each printing session. I have an Epson 4800. Almost any paper will
> work. I rotate and flip the test sheet so I get 4 nozzle checks for
> each sheet. Then if there is a problem I catch it before the ink cost
> is significant. I have never had a head clog during a printing
> session.
>
> Bob AZ

How expensive is it to do a nozzle check. OEM ink of course. I cannot
see how one would want to use anything else in such a fine printer.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:27 am
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"measekite" wrote in message

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0000, OG wrote:
>
>> "Arthur Entlich" wrote in message
>>
>>> Actually OG, I wasn't "replying to your post" I was replying to a
>>> publicly posted thread of conversation, which you may have entered into.
>>
>> No, you were replying to my post.
>>
>> See how responding in the 'right' place makes sense. No, need to add any
>> more.
>
> Thats right. He just thinks he is wonderful. I do not think so and it
> appears you are in agreement.

Then again, I don't think much of your posts either. You offences are
probably worse.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:34 pm
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measekite wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:19 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>> Have you had any clogging issues with your 3800. How often do you print?
>>> What about the wasted in when you switch from glossy to matte when it
>>> purges the blacks.
>> I've had two clogs in the past few months. In each case there were
>> faint lines on the print. Running the Epson pattern check cleared it,
>> though I wish they had a better method.
>
> That seems similar to what I read. A friend of mine has a 3800. He keeps
> his turned off. He prints about once a month. He usually prints 16x20.
> He is claiming he never has seen a clog.
>
> I wonder if he may have had one with a faint line like you but did not
> notice it. It is hard for me to understand that going that long between
> turning it on would never produce a clog.

The first time it occurred I almost missed it. It was a pale photo and
I caught the lines (missing pigment) in a reflection of light off of the
print.

>
>> I go a week or so w/o printing - no problems. The clog may occur in the
>> middle of a run of several photos.
>
>
> That is really strange. It seems you need to inspect each photo before
> you print another.

No biggie, I check every print.

>> I print about five 8x10's per week with some 12x18's.
>
>
> If the largest you print is a 12x18 why didn't you opt for the 2880.
> Reports say the image quality is about the same as the 3800.

See below.

>> Overall, however, not that big a deal. I'd get angry if it happened on
>> a large print (24x16") as that's a lot of ink wasted, but to date has
>> happened on 10x8" (ish) prints.


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