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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:02 pm
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I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital scanner
and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I know
digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in my
family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all the
pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably doesn't
know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad to
print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is on
the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like that. I
don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the photos
I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot of
the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they are
burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they just
print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the camera.
I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years old.
(I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some
while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums, something I
never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the
serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is happening
with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking today?
Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and say,
we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:53 pm
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"Ric Trexell" <rictrexell DeleteThis @vbe.com> wrote in message
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I'm hearing about all the
> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them.
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I was looking at this poll at MisterPool and I think it tells a story of how
people are keeping their digital pictures. As you can see if you add up
those that leave them on their computer, or in their camera, along with
online storage, nearly 78% of the photos from digital camera are being
stored in less than permanent places. Probably online storage is best as
they are responsible companies, however, they can drop that service at any
time. If you are not around to retrieve your photos, well, too bad.
Storage on a hard drive is not permanent. HD's come in two different kinds,
the one that is going to crash and the one that has. Here is the poll
results at MisterPoll. Read the third response from the top. Ric in
Wisconsin.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:07 pm
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Ric Trexell wrote:
> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital scanner
> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I know
> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in my
> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all the
> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably doesn't
> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad to
> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is on
> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like that. I
> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the photos
> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot of
> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they are
> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they just
> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the camera.
> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years old.
> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some
> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums, something I
> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the
> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is happening
> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking today?
> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and say,
> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin.
>
>
My friends and family tend to do a low of photo swapping, either through
email or when there are a lot of photos via DVDs.
I also grab a complete copy of my parents photos when I visit, putting
them on an external drive.
On the other hand I have a box of hundreds of prints that friends and
family have sent us over the years that I keep meaning to scan, it would
be far easier on me if everyone send images as files and not prints.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:36 pm
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Ric Trexell wrote:
> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and say,
> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed?
One of the drug stores here was selling packaged relatively small "Digital Film"
for 32,64, 120 pictures in Compact Flash or SD. What they were selling was
small memory cards along side film. They had one of the standard digital
color print operations as well. They were encouraging customers to keep their
"digital negatives" Interesting idea.
Which asks the second question what would be the cost of buying Compact Flash
in bulk and treating it like film negatives. 80 pictures /Gbyte RAW or 250/Gbyte
jpeg is competitive with film at current memory card prices. One of my HP
printers will print thumb nail sheets from Compact Flash.
Is anyone doing this.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:47 pm
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> Ric Trexell wrote:
> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital
> scanner and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film
> photog. I know digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm
> seeing something in my family that is making me wonder about digital.
> I'm hearing about all the pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing
> them. My neice probably doesn't know how to turn on a computer and
> says she gives her camera to her dad to print out the photos, but I
> doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is on the computer 24/7 but
> it is to check his investments and stuff like that. I don't think he
> knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the photos I have
> sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a
> lot of the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your
> family if they are burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just
> cheap CD's. Do they just print them out and then delete them or do
> they just keep them in the camera. I have slides that I took with my
> Brownie camera when I was 10 years old. (I'm 55 now.) I probably
> have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some while in the Navy) in
> slides or negatives. I also have albums, something I never see my
> family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the serious
> amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now
> I'm wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is
> happening with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents
> are taking today? Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that
> families look back and say, we took digital photos of our trip to
> Hawaii but we don't have anything because we left them on the hard
> drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin.
I think alot of people's pictures get lost an a person's hard drive and
never looked at.
I know that I shoot more than I process when I shoot digitally. I
always intend to go back and process them, but it's hit-and-miss. >> Stay informed about: Does your family save digital shots? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:53 pm
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> Walter Banks wrote:
> One of the drug stores here was selling packaged relatively small
> "Digital Film" for 32,64, 120 pictures in Compact Flash or SD. What
> they were selling was small memory cards along side film. They had
> one of the standard digital color print operations as well. They were
> encouraging customers to keep their "digital negatives" Interesting
> idea.
Sounds like they're marketing to little old ladies who can't fully
grasp the digital concept... the same ones who still insist on writing
checks rather than use an ATM/debit card.
My mother still uses film, and always will. She has ZERO interest in
computers or anything even remotely digital/computerized. >> Stay informed about: Does your family save digital shots? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:53 pm
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"TheDaveŠ" wrote:
> > Walter Banks wrote:
> > One of the drug stores here was selling packaged relatively small
> > "Digital Film" for 32,64, 120 pictures in Compact Flash or SD. What
> > they were selling was small memory cards along side film. They had
> > one of the standard digital color print operations as well. They were
> > encouraging customers to keep their "digital negatives" Interesting
> > idea.
>
> Sounds like they're marketing to little old ladies who can't fully
> grasp the digital concept... the same ones who still insist on writing
> checks rather than use an ATM/debit card.
>
> My mother still uses film, and always will. She has ZERO interest in
> computers or anything even remotely digital/computerized.
There is no question that they re marketing to little old ladies. The
number of frames was based on about 1Mbyte /frame. They in effect
were fully set up. They also sold some <$50 digital camera's.
High marks for finding a market for small memory cards.
My digression actually was from what would happen if we treated
removable memory cards as film. The costs are not as obvious as
they would first seem. No longer stored on hard drives and back
bulk USB drives or CD's. There is some convenience. Bulk memory
cards not so expensive.
Cards here are about $10/G, my most recent 1G thumb drive
was $7.95.
Worth a thought.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:35 pm
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"Scott W" <biphoto.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ric Trexell wrote:
>> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital
>> scanner
>> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I
>> know
>> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in
>> my
>> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all the
>> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably
>> doesn't
>> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad
>> to
>> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is
>> on
>> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like that.
>> I
>> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the
>> photos
>> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
>> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot of
>> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they
>> are
>> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they
>> just
>> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the
>> camera.
>> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years old.
>> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some
>> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums, something
>> I
>> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the
>> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
>> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
>> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is happening
>> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking
>> today?
>> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and
>> say,
>> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
>> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin.
>>
>>
>
> My friends and family tend to do a low of photo swapping, either through
> email or when there are a lot of photos via DVDs.
>
> I also grab a complete copy of my parents photos when I visit, putting
> them on an external drive.
>
> On the other hand I have a box of hundreds of prints that friends and
> family have sent us over the years that I keep meaning to scan, it would
> be far easier on me if everyone send images as files and not prints.
>
> Scott
People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat it
accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35 cents
each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless they are
really bad...... >> Stay informed about: Does your family save digital shots? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:35 pm
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> Walter Banks wrote:
> > > Walter Banks wrote:
> > > One of the drug stores here was selling packaged relatively small
> > > "Digital Film" for 32,64, 120 pictures in Compact Flash or SD.
> > > What they were selling was small memory cards along side film.
> > > They had one of the standard digital color print operations as
> > > well. They were encouraging customers to keep their "digital
> > > negatives" Interesting idea.
> >
> > Sounds like they're marketing to little old ladies who can't fully
> > grasp the digital concept... the same ones who still insist on
> > writing checks rather than use an ATM/debit card.
> >
> > My mother still uses film, and always will. She has ZERO interest
> > in computers or anything even remotely digital/computerized.
>
> There is no question that they re marketing to little old ladies. The
> number of frames was based on about 1Mbyte /frame. They in effect
> were fully set up. They also sold some <$50 digital camera's.
>
> High marks for finding a market for small memory cards.
>
> My digression actually was from what would happen if we treated
> removable memory cards as film. The costs are not as obvious as
> they would first seem. No longer stored on hard drives and back
> bulk USB drives or CD's. There is some convenience. Bulk memory
> cards not so expensive.
>
> Cards here are about $10/G, my most recent 1G thumb drive
> was $7.95.
>
> Worth a thought.
>
> w..
Just last week I was in a convenience store and saw a display with
disposable film cameras and wondered when they would come out with
disposable digital cameras.
 DOH!!! Momentary brain fart.
Then I thought about it some more and wondered if some people just
might buy them. lol >> Stay informed about: Does your family save digital shots? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:22 am
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William Graham wrote:
> "Scott W" <biphoto.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Ric Trexell wrote:
>>> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital
>>> scanner
>>> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I
>>> know
>>> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in
>>> my
>>> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all the
>>> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably
>>> doesn't
>>> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad
>>> to
>>> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is
>>> on
>>> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like that.
>>> I
>>> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the
>>> photos
>>> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
>>> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot of
>>> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they
>>> are
>>> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they
>>> just
>>> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the
>>> camera.
>>> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years old.
>>> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some
>>> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums, something
>>> I
>>> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the
>>> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
>>> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
>>> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is happening
>>> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking
>>> today?
>>> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and
>>> say,
>>> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
>>> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin.
>>>
>>>
>> My friends and family tend to do a low of photo swapping, either through
>> email or when there are a lot of photos via DVDs.
>>
>> I also grab a complete copy of my parents photos when I visit, putting
>> them on an external drive.
>>
>> On the other hand I have a box of hundreds of prints that friends and
>> family have sent us over the years that I keep meaning to scan, it would
>> be far easier on me if everyone send images as files and not prints.
>>
>> Scott
>
> People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
> didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat it
> accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35 cents
> each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless they are
> really bad......
The cost to store digital images is getting very low, so low that there
is no good reason to delete them in order to save money. I figure I can
store about 27 raw files per $0.01.
I shoot about 30,000 photos a year, some years more some less but on
average about 30,000. If that were in slides it would be a stack over
100 feet high. If packed tightly in a box it would take up over 3 cubic
feet.
Now if I take those 30,000 and make a set of resized copies at say
1500x1000 pixels I can capture most of the sentimental value of the
photos and fit them all on to two DVDs.
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"William Graham" <weg9.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
> didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat
it
> accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35 cents
> each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless they are
> really bad......
>
> Sure, and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. In
stead of shooting 20? shots and getting prints, they shoot about a
bizallion. I just couldn't see myself staring at that much junk and picking
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> William Graham wrote:
>> "Scott W" <biphoto RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Ric Trexell wrote:
>>>> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital
>>>> scanner
>>>> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I
>>>> know
>>>> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in
>>>> my
>>>> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all
>>>> the
>>>> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably
>>>> doesn't
>>>> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad
>>>> to
>>>> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is
>>>> on
>>>> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like
>>>> that. I
>>>> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the
>>>> photos
>>>> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my
>>>> neices.
>>>> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot
>>>> of
>>>> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they
>>>> are
>>>> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they
>>>> just
>>>> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the
>>>> camera.
>>>> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years
>>>> old.
>>>> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost
>>>> some
>>>> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums,
>>>> something I
>>>> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or
>>>> the
>>>> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family
>>>> would
>>>> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
>>>> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is
>>>> happening
>>>> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking
>>>> today?
>>>> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and
>>>> say,
>>>> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
>>>> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in
>>>> Wisconsin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My friends and family tend to do a low of photo swapping, either through
>>> email or when there are a lot of photos via DVDs.
>>>
>>> I also grab a complete copy of my parents photos when I visit, putting
>>> them on an external drive.
>>>
>>> On the other hand I have a box of hundreds of prints that friends and
>>> family have sent us over the years that I keep meaning to scan, it would
>>> be far easier on me if everyone send images as files and not prints.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>> People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
>> didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat
>> it accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35
>> cents each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless
>> they are really bad......
>
> The cost to store digital images is getting very low, so low that there is
> no good reason to delete them in order to save money. I figure I can
> store about 27 raw files per $0.01.
>
> I shoot about 30,000 photos a year, some years more some less but on
> average about 30,000. If that were in slides it would be a stack over 100
> feet high. If packed tightly in a box it would take up over 3 cubic feet.
>
> Now if I take those 30,000 and make a set of resized copies at say
> 1500x1000 pixels I can capture most of the sentimental value of the photos
> and fit them all on to two DVDs.
>
> Scott
>
>
Yes, and if you treat them each like I treat my 35 cent slides, then you are
way better off.....But my point was that, because they are so cheap to make
and keep, people treat them as though they were worthless, and end up
throwing most of them away, or losing them because of neglect.
The same thing can be said about written copy.....When I purchased a new
computer, I asked the guy to install my old hard drive in the new machine as
an auxiliary drive, so I wouldn't lose all the "sent" emails that I had
written and kept over the years.....He looked at me like I was crazy...."Why
do you want to keep old sent emails?" he said.......He couldn't understand
that these are original compositions.....works of art, if you will.....That
I had composed. They had the same value to me that old notes by some famous
writer might have to a collector of memorabilia.....Like suppose you found a
bunch of scribbalings by Mark Twain in an attic somewhere......These sent
emails are "Bill Graham originals" and might have the same value to one of
my grandchildren as a bunch of old letters written by my grandfather would
have to me. They represent hours and hours of serious thought about one
subject or another, and I don't want to just throw them away because they
are stored on a hard disk somewhere, and aren't letters in a box in an
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William Graham wrote:
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>> William Graham wrote:
>>> "Scott W" <biphoto RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Ric Trexell wrote:
>>>>> I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital
>>>>> scanner
>>>>> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I
>>>>> know
>>>>> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in
>>>>> my
>>>>> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all
>>>>> the
>>>>> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad
>>>>> to
>>>>> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is
>>>>> on
>>>>> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like
>>>>> that. I
>>>>> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the
>>>>> photos
>>>>> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my
>>>>> neices.
>>>>> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they
>>>>> are
>>>>> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they
>>>>> just
>>>>> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the
>>>>> camera.
>>>>> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years
>>>>> old.
>>>>> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost
>>>>> some
>>>>> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums,
>>>>> something I
>>>>> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or
>>>>> the
>>>>> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family
>>>>> would
>>>>> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
>>>>> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is
>>>>> happening
>>>>> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking
>>>>> today?
>>>>> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and
>>>>> say,
>>>>> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
>>>>> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in
>>>>> Wisconsin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> My friends and family tend to do a low of photo swapping, either through
>>>> email or when there are a lot of photos via DVDs.
>>>>
>>>> I also grab a complete copy of my parents photos when I visit, putting
>>>> them on an external drive.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand I have a box of hundreds of prints that friends and
>>>> family have sent us over the years that I keep meaning to scan, it would
>>>> be far easier on me if everyone send images as files and not prints.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>> People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
>>> didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat
>>> it accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35
>>> cents each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless
>>> they are really bad......
>> The cost to store digital images is getting very low, so low that there is
>> no good reason to delete them in order to save money. I figure I can
>> store about 27 raw files per $0.01.
>>
>> I shoot about 30,000 photos a year, some years more some less but on
>> average about 30,000. If that were in slides it would be a stack over 100
>> feet high. If packed tightly in a box it would take up over 3 cubic feet.
>>
>> Now if I take those 30,000 and make a set of resized copies at say
>> 1500x1000 pixels I can capture most of the sentimental value of the photos
>> and fit them all on to two DVDs.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
> Yes, and if you treat them each like I treat my 35 cent slides, then you are
> way better off.....But my point was that, because they are so cheap to make
> and keep, people treat them as though they were worthless, and end up
> throwing most of them away, or losing them because of neglect.
>
> The same thing can be said about written copy.....When I purchased a new
> computer, I asked the guy to install my old hard drive in the new machine as
> an auxiliary drive, so I wouldn't lose all the "sent" emails that I had
> written and kept over the years.....He looked at me like I was crazy...."Why
> do you want to keep old sent emails?" he said.......He couldn't understand
> that these are original compositions.....works of art, if you will.....That
> I had composed. They had the same value to me that old notes by some famous
> writer might have to a collector of memorabilia.....Like suppose you found a
> bunch of scribbalings by Mark Twain in an attic somewhere......These sent
> emails are "Bill Graham originals" and might have the same value to one of
> my grandchildren as a bunch of old letters written by my grandfather would
> have to me. They represent hours and hours of serious thought about one
> subject or another, and I don't want to just throw them away because they
> are stored on a hard disk somewhere, and aren't letters in a box in an
> attic......Digital stuff isn't worthless.
>
>
Gee, I just transfer outlook.pst to the new computer, when I get one. I
have my emails going back to 1992.
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>> People tend to treat stuff according to what they paid for it.....If it
>> didn't cost them anything, then they think of it as worthless, and treat
> it
>> accordingly.Digitals don't cost anything.....Slides cost me like 35 cents
>> each. (film plus processing costs) I don't throw them away unless they
>> are
>> really bad......
>>
>> Sure, and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. In
> stead of shooting 20? shots and getting prints, they shoot about a
> bizallion. I just couldn't see myself staring at that much junk and
> picking
> out the keepers.
>
>
I believe if they were triaged properly while still at the scene, then it
might be all worth while.....IOW, if one were to spend as much time
composing and sweating over a digital shot as they used to do with film, and
end up taking no more shots than they did with film, and treating them as
carefully after the fact, then they are better off with the digital
image......Unfortunately, there are too many people who just take scads of
shots because they are so cheap......worthless if you will......And then
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"Ric Trexell" <rictrexell.DeleteThis@vbe.com> wrote in message
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>I will admit I am a film photographer and although I have a digital scanner
> and a video digital picture maker, I will always be a film photog. I know
> digital is equal to or better now than film but I'm seeing something in my
> family that is making me wonder about digital. I'm hearing about all the
> pictures they are taking but I'm not seeing them. My neice probably
> doesn't
> know how to turn on a computer and says she gives her camera to her dad to
> print out the photos, but I doubt he keeps them on his computer. He is on
> the computer 24/7 but it is to check his investments and stuff like that.
> I
> don't think he knows how to burn anything to a CD. Even some of the
> photos
> I have sent him he has deleted so I doubt he is keeping all of my neices.
> So the question that I'm wondering about is this. Are we seeing a lot of
> the digital photos going into vapor? Ask around in your family if they
> are
> burning their pictures to archivial CD's or just cheap CD's. Do they just
> print them out and then delete them or do they just keep them in the
> camera.
> I have slides that I took with my Brownie camera when I was 10 years old.
> (I'm 55 now.) I probably have 95% of all pictures I ever took (lost some
> while in the Navy) in slides or negatives. I also have albums, something
> I
> never see my family have any more. I'm not talking about the pro or the
> serious amature that will value his photos. Before this my family would
> throw the negatives in a drawer and have pictures in a album. Now I'm
> wondering if most of them are being lost. Do you think this is happening
> with many of the digital pictures kids and their parents are taking today?
> Will we see the day maybe 25 years from now that families look back and
> say,
> we took digital photos of our trip to Hawaii but we don't have anything
> because we left them on the hard drive and it crashed? Ric in Wisconsin.
>
>
Ric
I've been thinking the same thing. I bet a good number of them will be
lost. I know a significant number of people who have lost some or all of
their digital photos because they didn't "get around" to backing them up.
One person lost all the photos of her new son with her, now deceased,
grandmother. The days seem to be gone when people would bring in an
envelope of photos to show co-workers pictures of a family event or new
grandchild. Now people just forward them on email. I also see people using
their cell phone cameras a lot now - now those take some high quality shots
; ) I know quite a few people who get them printed and that becomes their
archive. It almost seems like people look at their photos for immediate
amusement and not as a document of their life.
I shoot about 90-95% digital now, the remaning 5% is split about evenly
between 35mm and medium format. I categorize myself as a somewhat less than
serious amateur - more advanced than most people, but not having found the
time to get as serious as I'd like. I've always taken extreme measures for
backing up my digital photos and scanned film. They are all stored on 2
computers and 3 external hard drives, AND CDs and DVDs. Every year or so I
rotate a new external drive into the mix. Overkill for sure - but I've
never lost a file. I hope my kids (or at least one them) shares my desire
to preserve the family history !
Tom
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