Any comments on Nikon 5700?

I'd look into the 8700 for the following 5700 reasons.

The 5700 has a long shutter lag, it has issues with low light and being able
to focus, and it does not support fast compact flash cards, so RAW mode
shooting can become painfully slow, upwards of 3 minutes to store an image.

rtt

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 > I have my search for a digital camera narrowed down to an Olympus 5060
 > and a Nikon 5700. Are there any pro and con comments about either
 > one?
 >
 > Thanks
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Kayla wrote:
 > I have my search for a digital camera narrowed down to an Olympus 5060
 > and a Nikon 5700. Are there any pro and con comments about either
 > one?
 >
 > Thanks
 > Lori

I've had 5700 for a year and been delighted with it. Of course it has its
problems, low-light focussing is often mentioned but it's really a matter
of getting a contrasty object in the focussing area. Equally, all digital
cameras need a slightly different technique for action photography, and
the 5700 is no exception.

The lens is excellent, and a very good match to the 5MP sensor. If you
need wider angle shots, you can always make a two-picture panorama.

I did look at the Minolta A2 as a possible upgrade, but in side-by-side
tests its 8MP images were no better than Nikon's 5MP, and the image
stabilisation feature didn't seem to want to operate in the regimes where
I needed it. I sent the camera back.

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David J Taylor wrote:
 > Kayla wrote:
  >> I have my search for a digital camera narrowed down to an Olympus
  >> 5060 and a Nikon 5700. Are there any pro and con comments about
  >> either one?
  >>
  >> Thanks
  >> Lori
 >
 > I've had 5700 for a year and been delighted with it. Of course it
 > has its problems, low-light focussing is often mentioned but it's
 > really a matter of getting a contrasty object in the focussing area.
 > Equally, all digital cameras need a slightly different technique for
 > action photography, and the 5700 is no exception.
 >
 > The lens is excellent, and a very good match to the 5MP sensor. If
 > you need wider angle shots, you can always make a two-picture
 > panorama.
 >
 > I did look at the Minolta A2 as a possible upgrade, but in
 > side-by-side tests its 8MP images were no better than Nikon's 5MP,
 > and the image stabilisation feature didn't seem to want to operate in
 > the regimes where I needed it. I sent the camera back.
 >
 > Cheers,
 > David

I've had the 5700 for a little over a year, and agree with David's
conclusions. Action photography takes practice.

I've had the 8700 for al little over a month, and believe it is worth
the difference: larger monitor with better daylight viewing, more crop
potential for quick-photos. I think the focus may be a little quicker,
but it's just a feeling.

"Action" photos from the CP5700, August 2003:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fototime.com/inv/9CEF2E0211DCF4E" target="_blank">http://www.fototime.com/inv/9CEF2E0211DCF4E</a>

"Action" photos from the CP8700, August 2004, with a few from the CP5700
both static and action, and from the CP5000, almost exclusively static.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fototime.com/inv/56B2F64069C0AC9" target="_blank">http://www.fototime.com/inv/56B2F64069C0AC9</a>

If you are interested in the Dolphin racing cars (made in El Cajon,
California, look here
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fototime.com/inv/70D0EAA2F8CBFA6" target="_blank">http://www.fototime.com/inv/70D0EAA2F8CBFA6</a>
And here
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/dolphin01.htm" target="_blank">http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/dolphin01.htm</a>

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:09:49 -0400, in rec.photo.digital "Richard Tomkins"
<tomkinsr.DeleteThis@istop.com> wrote:

 >I'd look into the 8700 for the following 5700 reasons.
 >
 >The 5700 has a long shutter lag, it has issues with low light and being able
 >to focus, and it does not support fast compact flash cards, so RAW mode
 >shooting can become painfully slow, upwards of 3 minutes to store an image.

While I'm not entirely happy with the 5700 package including converters
lenses, I feel you may have exaggerated observations by others here. In
your previous thread in regard to RAW mode with the 5700 ANOTHER poster,
not you, replied they experienced write times of approx one minute per file
or three min for three. NOT three min per file.

Have you experienced such horrible NEF writing times as you've described?
I, myself, find it takes 20 sec per NEF to write to either my ancient 128MB
8x or my newer 40GB 40xWA cards. Yes, I wish they could use the WA cards to
advantage , as the newer 8700 does to quicken this.
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:26:35 GMT, in rec.photo.digital Kayla
<afwt_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

 >I have my search for a digital camera narrowed down to an Olympus 5060
 >and a Nikon 5700. Are there any pro and con comments about either
 >one?

I can't speak to the 5060. In regard to the 5700, if you are also
considering the use of converter lenses as well, IMO, I find the package
lacking in design and performance in the field. For point of reference I
upgraded from a 990/WC-63/TC-3/FC-8 to the 5700/WC-80/TC-15/FC-9 and find
the 5700 package wanting in comparison to say the least.Weight, bulk, lack
of filters for the WC, limited zoom range on the TC. In retrospect I should
have kept the old converters and grabbed a 4500. If however, you are only
interested in the camera, that it another thing by itself. Myself, I'm
going to move up to a D70 in the near future.
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In article <413f9d9f$1_4@127.0.0.1>, tomkinsr DeleteThis @istop.com says...
 >
 >I'd look into the 8700 for the following 5700 reasons.
 >
 >The 5700 has a long shutter lag, it has issues with low light and being able
 >to focus, and it does not support fast compact flash cards, so RAW mode
 >shooting can become painfully slow, upwards of 3 minutes to store an image.
 >
 >rtt
 >
 >"Kayla" <afwt_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
 >news:tcduj05cciq8g4rupesmv0bf4aq4rlq861@4ax.com...
  >> I have my search for a digital camera narrowed down to an Olympus 5060
  >> and a Nikon 5700. Are there any pro and con comments about either
  >> one?
  >>
  >> Thanks
  >> Lori
 >

I agree with the first two assertions, provided that the 8700 improves on
these, but my 5700 w/ 1GB Ultra 40x does RAW in seconds. MOF it's faster in
RAW, than lowest compression JPG, or TIFF. Now, the 8700 might have a larger/
faster buffer, allowing more shots before write, but the write speed with 40x
is pretty good on 5700.

Just a personal observation,
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In article <413f9d9f$1_4@127.0.0.1>,
Richard Tomkins <tomkinsr RemoveThis @istop.com> wrote:
 >I'd look into the 8700 for the following 5700 reasons.
 >
 >The 5700 has a long shutter lag, it has issues with low light and being able
 >to focus, and it does not support fast compact flash cards, so RAW mode
 >shooting can become painfully slow, upwards of 3 minutes to store an image.

This surprises me about the 5700... I have the CP5000 which as far as
I'm aware is basically the same electronics in a different package -
standard 28-80 (equiv) lens. Although maybe they upped the in-camera
buffer memory?

I've shot RAW mode (8MB file) and HI mode (14MB TIFF file) and not had
it stall for anything more than 20 seconds at a time when writing a
HI file to disk (I have a 1GB microdrive, but the supplied 32MB Flash
card wasn't that much slower) I can only take one HI or RAW at a time,
but can sort of take up to 3 FINE pics at a time before it chokes,
but never for more than about 20 seconds.

Most of the time I'm shooting in it's FINE mode which produces ~1.5MB
JPG files though.

But all the other comments in this thread are valid - it can have a bit
of lag, but the usual trick is the half-press the shutter to get focus &
exposure setup, then the final click is almost instant. (at least on the
5000 is is. It's certianly no worse than my old Pentax SLR) and Low-light
focusing can be problematic. I've just started to take mine underwater
(in a suitable housing!) and this is proving more problematic for me,
but my previous underwater camera had manual focus, so I think I'll just
revert back to that - I got quite used to gauging distance underwater
after a while!

Haven't Nikon stopped production of the 5000 & 5700? You can probably
get them cheap 2nd hand or on eBay I'd imaging.

I have the wide angle adapter and the 2 tele-convertors for it which
makes it as versatile as my old SLR (Pentax) But the carry-bag is just
as big now )-:

Sample images at:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.drogon.net/personal/photoShoots/LensTest/" target="_blank">http://www.drogon.net/personal/photoShoots/LensTest/</a>

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Yes I shoot three images in RAW mode and wait for 3 minutes or so, before I
can take any more. In my other post, I was led to belive by the responders
that a higher speed card would not make a difference, therefore I transposed
the response from that post to this. If I am wrong on this, let me know
please. I hate the wait time. I will pose the question yet again.

Does the NKION 5700 support higher speed Compact FLash cards by writing to
them at accelerated speeds in RAW NEF mode?

rtt
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:58:20 -0400, in rec.photo.digital "Richard Tomkins"
<tomkinsr RemoveThis @istop.com> wrote:

 >Yes I shoot three images in RAW mode and wait for 3 minutes or so, before I
 >can take any more. In my other post, I was led to belive by the responders
 >that a higher speed card would not make a difference, therefore I transposed
 >the response from that post to this. If I am wrong on this, let me know
 >please. I hate the wait time. I will pose the question yet again.

But you posted 3min per image in the original I quoted, that's why I asked.

 >Does the NKION 5700 support higher speed Compact FLash cards by writing to
 >them at accelerated speeds in RAW NEF mode?

You are being VERY general with the term higher speed. What exactly do you
mean by that? Compared to what? None of the Nikon non-dslrs support Write
Accelerated (WA) cards. From my experience with Lexar cards I get the same
writing speed with the 8x and 40WA card. I sprung for the WA because the
1GB card cost me just under $200 for a trip to O'ahu and I plan to move up
to a D70 in the near future, which can take advantage of it.

Again, 20-25 sec per RAW image is my experience.
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Ed Ruf wrote:
 > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:58:20 -0400, in rec.photo.digital "Richard
 > Tomkins" <tomkinsr DeleteThis @istop.com> wrote:
 >
  >> Yes I shoot three images in RAW mode and wait for 3 minutes or so,
  >> before I can take any more. In my other post, I was led to belive by
  >> the responders that a higher speed card would not make a difference,
  >> therefore I transposed the response from that post to this. If I am
  >> wrong on this, let me know please. I hate the wait time. I will pose
  >> the question yet again.
 >
 > But you posted 3min per image in the original I quoted, that's why I
 > asked.
 >
  >> Does the NKION 5700 support higher speed Compact FLash cards by
  >> writing to them at accelerated speeds in RAW NEF mode?
 >
 > You are being VERY general with the term higher speed. What exactly
 > do you mean by that? Compared to what? None of the Nikon non-dslrs
 > support Write Accelerated (WA) cards. From my experience with Lexar
 > cards I get the same writing speed with the 8x and 40WA card. I
 > sprung for the WA because the 1GB card cost me just under $200 for a
 > trip to O'ahu and I plan to move up to a D70 in the near future,
 > which can take advantage of it.
 >
 > Again, 20-25 sec per RAW image is my experience.

I don't often disagree with Ed, but it seems to me there is a
straightforward answer to the "posed" question:

No, the Nikon CP5700 does not take advantage of higher speed compact
flash cards. Even the slowest new cards you can buy are fast enough to
utilize all the CP5700 can offer in the way of write speed.

Answer: NO.

If the Nikon CP8700 is a "Nikon non-dslr" then the "None of" statement
is inaccurate. The CP8700 does implement Write Accelerated technology,
and as I've said before, the difference between a Regular San Disk 512
card and an Ultimate II or Lexar 40X card is reMARKable. By this time
tomorrow I should be able to testify about a Lexar 80X 1GB card. That is
if the weather be good.

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In article <4140980b$1_4@127.0.0.1>, tomkinsr.DeleteThis@istop.com says...
 >
 >Yes I shoot three images in RAW mode and wait for 3 minutes or so, before I
 >can take any more. In my other post, I was led to belive by the responders
 >that a higher speed card would not make a difference, therefore I transposed
 >the response from that post to this. If I am wrong on this, let me know
 >please. I hate the wait time. I will pose the question yet again.
 >
 >Does the NKION 5700 support higher speed Compact FLash cards by writing to
 >them at accelerated speeds in RAW NEF mode?
 >
 >rtt

Ed,

I do not have any specs on the max speed that the 5700 will fully utilize. I
have, however, used my 1GB 40x and noted about a 50% speed increase over an
older 1GB (without a printed speed rating). An assistant's 5000 posted the
same increase in write speed. These have been casual observations, not
emperical tests.

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I sat down with my three Compact Flash cards and did some basic timing with
a watch with a seconds hand. This, compared to my previous post, where I had
been estimating time.

Here are my findings.

Shooting at full resoluiton in RAW NEF mode, camera is setup for USB
transfers and I format the card before running the test.

E5700 Firmware version 1.1

Shika Flash Turbo 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 45 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 48 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 2 minutes, 12
seconds.

SanDisk 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 30 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 34 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 26 seconds.

NIKON SanDisk 32MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 25 seconds to store and then release the camera.
format card by camera
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 25 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 6 seconds.

My conclusions from this test is that there is a distinct measurable
difference between the storage times of the three cards that I have and
thier interoperation with the NIKON 5700. I further conclude that I was
misled by the verbage on the Shika card, believing it to be faster and thus
shooting with it most of hte time when I should have been using the SanDisk.

Couple this information wiht that from others and it would seem that the
camera does react to Compact Flash card speed, but as to how much is not
known. NIKON are definately not passing on complete or accurate information
about this camera and the Compact Flash cards. The 8700 is a CoolPIX and if
it does support the Lexar WA, then the NIKON statement that CoolPIX do not
is bogus.

Now on to another question, what settings in the camera could possibly
influence the storage times. I did my tests with my camera set to User Mode
C1, which I have some typical things predefined, possibly these setting are
causing the DSP inside to work on the data before it gets stored or what?

rtt
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:17:30 -0700, in rec.photo.digital "Frank ess"
<frank.DeleteThis@fshe2fs.com> wrote:


 >I don't often disagree with Ed, but it seems to me there is a
 >straightforward answer to the "posed" question:
 >
 >No, the Nikon CP5700 does not take advantage of higher speed compact
 >flash cards. Even the slowest new cards you can buy are fast enough to
 >utilize all the CP5700 can offer in the way of write speed.
 >
 >Answer: NO.

While I haven't seen any difference with my cards, time reported by some
other are considerably longer. If it's not the cards, then what?


 >If the Nikon CP8700 is a "Nikon non-dslr" then the "None of" statement
 >is inaccurate. The CP8700 does implement Write Accelerated technology,
 >and as I've said before, the difference between a Regular San Disk 512
 >card and an Ultimate II or Lexar 40X card is reMARKable. By this time
 >tomorrow I should be able to testify about a Lexar 80X 1GB card. That is
 >if the weather be good.

Yes, I keep forgetting about the upgrades the 8700 got, especially in my
haste to leave for RIR this afternoon.
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