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Bob

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:40 pm
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I will be attending a NHL game this week and I plan to take some action
photos. My prior efforts have turned out less than stellar results.

I do have decent seats(approx 20 rows up in the corner)

Here's the gear I'll be working with:

Canon XT (8MP)

Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6

Canon 28-135mm IS

Phoenix 2x teleconveter

and of course the 18-55mm kit lens

Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
Apature speed for these conditions.

I know I'll need higher Shutter to capture the action , but I'm still a
little fuzzy on the details of the other settings to compensate for good
exposure.

I do shoot mostly in RAW and do a little tweeking in LightRoom later.

Any Help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in Advance

Bob

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:40 pm
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"Bob" <quips88 DeleteThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I will be attending a NHL game this week and I plan to take some action
>photos. My prior efforts have turned out less than stellar results.
>
> I do have decent seats(approx 20 rows up in the corner)
>
> Here's the gear I'll be working with:
>
> Canon XT (8MP)
>
> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6
>
> Canon 28-135mm IS
>
> Phoenix 2x teleconveter
>
> and of course the 18-55mm kit lens
>
> Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
> Apature speed for these conditions.
>
> I know I'll need higher Shutter to capture the action , but I'm still a
> little fuzzy on the details of the other settings to compensate for good
> exposure.
>
> I do shoot mostly in RAW and do a little tweeking in LightRoom later.
>
> Any Help would be greatly appreciated
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Bob
>

Look here
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/Canon-Outdoor-Sports-Lens.aspx

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Hiram Kratzchenhammer

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:36 am
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"Bob" <quips88.TakeThisOut@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I will be attending a NHL game this week and I plan to take some action
>photos. My prior efforts have turned out less than stellar results.
>
> I do have decent seats(approx 20 rows up in the corner)
>
> Here's the gear I'll be working with:
>
> Canon XT (8MP)
>
> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6
>
> Canon 28-135mm IS
>
> Phoenix 2x teleconveter
>
> and of course the 18-55mm kit lens
>
> Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
> Apature speed for these conditions.
>
> I know I'll need higher Shutter to capture the action , but I'm still a
> little fuzzy on the details of the other settings to compensate for good
> exposure.
>
> I do shoot mostly in RAW and do a little tweeking in LightRoom later.
>
> Any Help would be greatly appreciated
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Bob

Don't forget to take the lens cap off!!!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:36 am
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"Bob" <quips88.TakeThisOut@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I will be attending a NHL game this week and I plan to take some action
>photos. My prior efforts have turned out less than stellar results.
>
> I do have decent seats(approx 20 rows up in the corner)
>
> Here's the gear I'll be working with:
>
> Canon XT (8MP)
>
Good camera

>
> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6
>
I hope this is the IS model.

>
> Canon 28-135mm IS
>
I like this lens a lot.

>
> Phoenix 2x teleconveter
>
Leave it at home. You can't afford the two stops of light loss among other
problems.

>
> and of course the 18-55mm kit lens
>
Works better than people suggest and is small and light.

> Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
> Aperture speed for these conditions.
>
> I know I'll need higher Shutter to capture the action , but I'm still a
> little fuzzy on the details of the other settings to compensate for good
> exposure.
>

You will want shutter speeds of 1/640 of a second or faster to stop the
action. With the mostly white background of the ice surface, you will
probably have to use positive exposure compensation too. Check your
histogram and expose to the right.

If you can't get fast enough shutter speeds keep turning up the ISO until
you can. You will probably need 1600 ISO. If you go that high, be careful
not to underexpose if possible if you don't like noise and grain. The wider
end of your lenses are faster than the longer end so you might want to
switch to your longer lenses before zooming in too much.

You might try using Tv mode and fix the shutter speed to 1/640 or 1/1000.
If it leads to too much underexposure, then switch to Av mode and set the
lens wide open at the wide end. This way as you zoom in it will stay wide
open. You could also try to use M and preset the exposure so that the ice
is nearly white and then don't change it if the lighting is uniform in the
stadium. If you still can't get fast enough shutter speeds, then rent a
fast lens for the event.

You can take a white balance off of the ice, a white jersey, the side
boards, or hold a grey card out and shoot that.

You might want to set custom function 4 to 1 to move autofocus to the AF
lock button so that it will only run the autofocus when you are holding the
button down. This way it won't keep hunting every time you press the
shutter or you can prefocus at a point and wait for the hockey player to
arrive. If you use AI servo focussing for a moving target, then you would
have to hold the button down while you take the shot. Up to you.

A monopod will help to stabilize the camera and take the weight while you
are in your seat. Not all stadiums allow this.

Good luck.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:08 am
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Bob <quips88 RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote:
> I will be attending a NHL game this week and I plan to take some action
> photos. My prior efforts have turned out less than stellar results.

In what form?

> Here's the gear I'll be working with:

> Canon XT (8MP)
> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6
> Canon 28-135mm IS
> Phoenix 2x teleconveter
> and of course the 18-55mm kit lens

The converter turns your 70-300 f/4-5.6 into an impressive
long 140-600mm, which is just as impressively slow: f/8-11.
And won't AF.

You don't gain anything with the TC when using the 28-135mm
(just use the 70-300mm already!), nor with the kit lens (use the
28-135mm instead!)

You may want a faster lens, probably a prime lens. Rentals may
be a good idea to find out which one you like.

> Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
> Apature speed for these conditions.

High, fast, matching. Smile

-Wolfgang
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:35 pm
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default <defaultname.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Bob" <quips88.DeleteThis@triad.rr.com> wrote in message

>> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6

> I hope this is the IS model.

at 1/640s+, as you suggest, IS is unneccessary.

> Check your histogram and expose to the right.

But do _not_ touch the right. Better a bit more noise than
clipped channels.

> If you can't get fast enough shutter speeds keep turning up the ISO until
> you can. You will probably need 1600 ISO. If you go that high, be careful
> not to underexpose if possible if you don't like noise and grain.

Noise or blur ... if that's the choice, I take noise.

> You might try using Tv mode and fix the shutter speed to 1/640 or 1/1000.
> If it leads to too much underexposure,

then you should enable the safety shift feature, in which case the
lens will go wide open first and then the exposure time increases,
till the metering thinks it's enough light.

> You might want to set custom function 4 to 1 to move autofocus to the AF
> lock button so that it will only run the autofocus when you are holding the
> button down. This way it won't keep hunting every time you press the
> shutter or you can prefocus at a point and wait for the hockey player to
> arrive.

Takes a bit to get used to, though, so set it early and play.

-Wolfgang
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:46 pm
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Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgtt02 DeleteThis @sneakemail.com> wrote in
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> default <defaultname DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Bob" <quips88 DeleteThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Canon 70-300mm 1:4-5.6
>
>> I hope this is the IS model.
>
> at 1/640s+, as you suggest, IS is unneccessary.
>
>> Check your histogram and expose to the right.
>
> But do _not_ touch the right. Better a bit more noise than
> clipped channels.
>
>> If you can't get fast enough shutter speeds keep turning up the ISO
>> until you can. You will probably need 1600 ISO. If you go that
>> high, be careful not to underexpose if possible if you don't like
>> noise and grain.
>
> Noise or blur ... if that's the choice, I take noise.
>
>> You might try using Tv mode and fix the shutter speed to 1/640 or
>> 1/1000. If it leads to too much underexposure,
>
> then you should enable the safety shift feature, in which case the
> lens will go wide open first and then the exposure time increases,
> till the metering thinks it's enough light.
>
>> You might want to set custom function 4 to 1 to move autofocus to the
>> AF lock button so that it will only run the autofocus when you are
>> holding the button down. This way it won't keep hunting every time
>> you press the shutter or you can prefocus at a point and wait for the
>> hockey player to arrive.
>
> Takes a bit to get used to, though, so set it early and play.
>
> -Wolfgang

Bob: All the other posters make points that are excellent. For some
shots, you might consider taking AF off and prefocusing on a point on
the ice. Compose your image, then watch around the viewfinder with the
other eye, firing the shutter release when you see skaters heading into
the image composition. I have used this successfully in baseball to
capture batters in mid-swing. I depress the shutter release as the
pitcher's hand passes his head. I'm sure with a little practice you can
find a similar technique that will serve you well. Last point: don't
forget that you can rent specialty lenses for special occasions! Wink
Happy shooting, ~Ray
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:36 pm
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In article <es2b85-8l9.ln1 RemoveThis @ID-52418.user.berlin.de>,
Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgtt02 RemoveThis @sneakemail.com> wrote:

>
> You may want a faster lens, probably a prime lens. Rentals may
> be a good idea to find out which one you like.
>
> > Does anyone have any advice for camera settings ie: ISO , Shutter speed ,
> > Apature speed for these conditions.

I agree rent a lens, a fast 2.8 300.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:44 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:38 pm
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In article <tho-245E35.20443017022008.RemoveThis@news.giganews.com>,
TH O <tho.RemoveThis@tho.23.invalid> wrote:

> Check with the stadium first to find out if they have camera
> restrictions. Some don't allow SLRs and some that do may not allow what
> they define as "pro" lenses based on size.

Hide it in your pants then, if your like me,... they might just think
your happy to be there Smile

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:03 am
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TH O <tho DeleteThis @tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> ____ <internetphobic DeleteThis @deletedmail.com> wrote:

>> I agree rent a lens, a fast 2.8 300.

> Check with the stadium first to find out if they have camera
> restrictions. Some don't allow SLRs and some that do may not allow what
> they define as "pro" lenses based on size.

Canon's 2.8 200mm probably does get through as non-pro, based on
size, or so some reports read. :->

-Wolfgang
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