Zeiss Ikonta

"Chris Brown" <cpbrown.DeleteThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote

 > [...] It's just a shame that this time of the
 > year is so dull and grey here in the UK.

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 > Any suggestions? Any impressions?

Be sure to get a Super Ikonta, they have a rangefinder that normal
Ikontas don't have. Try also to find a post-war version, the lens will
be coated and you will have a double exposure prevention system.


 > Is it a good choice to have a folding camera in my bag pocket?

Yes. The problem is, what is the size of your bag pocket? Super
Ikontas are available in different formats, from 4.5x6 to 6.5x11. All
models use 120 rollfilm except the 530/15 (the 6.5x11) which uses 616
that isn't available anymore. The three usable formats are then 4.5x6,
6x6 and 6x9. The 4.5x6 is incredibly small, no bigger than a compact
35mm, but is medium format anyway! The 6x6 version is the most
interesting, with the rangefinder integrated in the viewfinder and a
light meter on the most advanced ones. It is quite bulky and very heavy
though. The 6x9 version is smaller and lighter than the 6x6 version due
to a more simple viewfinder, with the advantage of a very big negative.

All Super Ikontas are available with a Tessar lens. The f/2.8 ones
(available on the 6x6 version) are less sharp than the f/3.5 or f/4.5 ones.

I have some pages about the Super Ikontas on my website (along with some
other folders) as I have the complete family:

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"Vincent Becker" <no.address.TakeThisOut@no.spam> wrote in message
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 > Be sure to get a Super Ikonta, they have a rangefinder that normal Ikontas
 > don't have. Try also to find a post-war version, the lens will be coated
 > and you will have a double exposure prevention system.

A later version might also have a flash-synch shutter.

Prices on the good, later models in EX, or better, condition are going
through the roof in the USA. Condition is everything, so a blemish here and
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 > Be sure to get a Super Ikonta, they have a rangefinder that normal
 > Ikontas don't have. Try also to find a post-war version, the lens will
 > be coated and you will have a double exposure prevention system.

ok!

 >
 > Yes. The problem is, what is the size of your bag pocket?

I always walk with my shoulder bag: if the camera works ok i can find
enough room!! BTW i always walk first with a Lomo and a Contax mt...

 > Super
 > Ikontas are available in different formats, from 4.5x6 to 6.5x11. All
 > models use 120 rollfilm except the 530/15 (the 6.5x11) which uses 616
 > that isn't available anymore. The three usable formats are then 4.5x6,
 > 6x6 and 6x9. The 4.5x6 is incredibly small, no bigger than a compact
 > 35mm, but is medium format anyway! The 6x6 version is the most
 > interesting, with the rangefinder integrated in the viewfinder and a
 > light meter on the most advanced ones. It is quite bulky and very heavy
 > though. The 6x9 version is smaller and lighter than the 6x6 version due
 > to a more simple viewfinder, with the advantage of a very big negative.


I'm searching for a 6x6 or 6x4,5 format, since my enlarger is Durst M605
Color. So i want a portable big negative to coupling to my small
negative camera... I don't really need for a flash sync but a reliable
MF foldable camera to carry on everyday.

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Thanks a lot!!

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 > I like folders, they're good fun, but I've yet to find one that manages to
 > match my TLRs in image quality, regardless of the lens. I suspect camera
 > shake and the positioning difficulties introduced by the folding mechanism
 > are the main culprits.
 >

For sure my rolleis can be far better, but a foldable one I hope is more
lighter than my Flex!!

Thanks!!
Stefano

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 > Thanks a lot!!

There was a bug, the links on this page pointed to the French version of
my website, it is fixed now.

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"Chris Brown" <cpbrown.DeleteThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > I like folders, they're good fun, but I've yet to find one that manages to
 > match my TLRs in image quality, regardless of the lens. I suspect camera
 > shake and the positioning difficulties introduced by the folding mechanism
 > are the main culprits.
 >
 > Still, I have high hopes for the Ensign Selfix 820 I acquired recently.
Good
 > things have been written about them. It's just a shame that this time of
the
 > year is so dull and grey here in the UK.

Absolutely stunning day today though: fresh crisp Autumn weather. Naturally
I had to work inside...


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Has anyone changed-out the lens on a Ikomat, say the 530 with success,
keeping the RF accurate?
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stefano bramato wrote:

 > As proud owner of two Rolleiflexes now I need some more portable medium
 > format. And I was looking for a Zeiss Ikonta, that seems quite good.
 > I love Zeiss lens...
 > BTW a friend suggested me also a Moskva 5 but is not the same I presume!
 >
 >
 > Ebay is a good starting point to find this camera I suppose.
 >
 > Any suggestions? Any impressions?
 >

I own a bunch of different folder models. The rangefinder ones are MUCH
heavier and bulkier, especially the old ones with the filp up dealie. The
flip up finder 531, 6X4.5's are the most pocketable of the bunch. The 80mm
F2.8 tessars aren't nearly as sharp as the 75mm f3.5 tessars. The late
opton coated ones are the best and if you need a rangefinder, get the
latest model III or IV with the opton tessar, not the novar like one of
these has. The IV has a meter but probably won't be working given it's age
so I'd go with the III.

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The main down side to all the ikontas is the front cell focusing lens. It's
"formulated" for middle distances and isn't as sharp at infinity or close
up as the non-front cell focusing tessar would be.

Several other folders are good, I have a welta with a non-front cell
focusing tessar (front standard moves like a view camera), coupled
rangefinder etc that's just as sharp as any TLR I've used. These are pretty
rare and mine required a new bellows. It looks like this but is a 6X4.5
with a 75mm tessar.

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Also the kodak duo620 is a good one, has a helical focusing mount but uses
620 film. Also a 6x4.5.

The 6x4.5's seem to have the least problem with film flatness and have been
the best "users" in my experience. Seems even the extra film area of the
6X9 doesn't make up for the film flatness issue, the 105mm tessar doesn't
cover the corners as well as the 75mm does on 6X4.5 and the larger camera
is a LOT larger.
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Chris Brown <cpbrown.DeleteThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote in message news:<gcau72-ctd.ln1.DeleteThis@narcissus.dyndns.org>...
 > In article <MPG.1c16936734b1e8c7989e2c.DeleteThis@powernews.libero.it>,
 > stefano bramato <brother.DeleteThis@bramatobros.com> wrote:
  > >As proud owner of two Rolleiflexes now I need some more portable medium
  > >format. And I was looking for a Zeiss Ikonta, that seems quite good.
  > >I love Zeiss lens...
  > >BTW a friend suggested me also a Moskva 5 but is not the same I presume!
  > >
  > >
  > >Ebay is a good starting point to find this camera I suppose.
  > >
  > >Any suggestions? Any impressions?
 >
 > I like folders, they're good fun, but I've yet to find one that manages to
 > match my TLRs in image quality, regardless of the lens. I suspect camera
 > shake and the positioning difficulties introduced by the folding mechanism
 > are the main culprits.

TLRs have less shake. Also the mounts on a folder have got to be rigid
and sometimes they are not. Also if it has a left shutter then that
can cause more shake if you are right handed.

 > Still, I have high hopes for the Ensign Selfix 820 I acquired recently. Good
 > things have been written about them. It's just a shame that this time of the
 > year is so dull and grey here in the UK.

Watch out for those lenses on those Ensigns. The Ross Xpress might
have been a fine lens design and superior to the Tessar in design but
they have got to be made right to deliver comparable or better images.
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stefano bramato wrote:
 >
  > > I like folders, they're good fun, but I've yet to find one that manages to
  > > match my TLRs in image quality, regardless of the lens. I suspect camera
  > > shake and the positioning difficulties introduced by the folding mechanism
  > > are the main culprits.
  > >
 >
 > For sure my rolleis can be far better, but a foldable one I hope is more
 > lighter than my Flex!!

I haven't weighted my Moskva 2 vs. Rollei MX, but they feel about the
same. But the Moskva fits in a smaller pocket. When folded up it is
about half the volume of the Rollei.

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In article <MPG.1c16e51e38694e11989e30.TakeThisOut@powernews.libero.it>,
stefano bramato <brother.TakeThisOut@bramatobros.com> wrote:
  >> I like folders, they're good fun, but I've yet to find one that manages to
  >> match my TLRs in image quality, regardless of the lens. I suspect camera
  >> shake and the positioning difficulties introduced by the folding mechanism
  >> are the main culprits.
  >>
 >
 >For sure my rolleis can be far better, but a foldable one I hope is more
 >lighter than my Flex!!

My folders and TLRs weigh about the same, but the folders are much more
portable due to their shape.

They're all lighter than a 35mm SLR plus a lens anyway.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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And, if you're willing to go 6 x 6, don't forget the folding Mamiya 6. The
Zuiko lenses are excellent, it has a coupled range finder, and the "Automatic"
version is self cocking. The "Automatic" version is not all that commonly
available and generally commands a premium price. I'm very happy with the
results I get with mine.
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