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"Jos. Burke" wrote in message

 > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being
 > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they
 > still make reference to England as origin but not Ilford apparently)--as
 > well as the printing paper which I assume may now be produced by Kentmere
as
 > they are now carrying (Announced in the catalog!) Kentmere's line of
 > papers. I've not used Kentmere papers but really liked both the original
 > versions of Arista Sheet Film and B&W Printing Papers. That makes me worry
 > even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!!
 > Any inside information here!!
 > Jos. Burke
 >
 >

No inside info., but years ago I did use Kentmere papers and I liked them,
so you might want to give them a try. I've never heard of Kentmere making
film, but I suppose they might be the sort of company that might be
interested in taking on some of the Ilford operation.


Peter
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"Jos. Burke" wrote:

 > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being
 > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they
 > still make reference to England as origin but not Ilford apparently)--as
 > well as the printing paper which I assume may now be produced by Kentmere as
 > they are now carrying (Announced in the catalog!) Kentmere's line of
 > papers. I've not used Kentmere papers but really liked both the original
 > versions of Arista Sheet Film and B&W Printing Papers. That makes me worry
 > even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!!
 > Any inside information here!!
 > Jos. Burke

Only Ilford related item I have heard was discontinuation of SFX. Perhaps they
are introducing something newer?

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
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No idea about the Arista II, but I'm sure the new Arista.EDU is FOMA, based
on the ISO 9001 designation they are so proud of using. That's a good
thing.

Looks like Freestyle will carry more FOMA products than J&C [who FOMA didn't
even know was selling their products at the first]. J&C had a deal with
Fotoimpex Berlin [still does], whereas I believe Freestyle is directly
contracting with FOMA now.

I like FOMA products and think this will be good for both of them.

"Jos. Burke" wrote in message

 > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being
 > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they
 > still make reference to England as origin but not Ilford apparently)--as
 > well as the printing paper which I assume may now be produced by Kentmere
as
 > they are now carrying (Announced in the catalog!) Kentmere's line of
 > papers. I've not used Kentmere papers but really liked both the original
 > versions of Arista Sheet Film and B&W Printing Papers. That makes me worry
 > even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!!
 > Any inside information here!!
 > Jos. Burke
 >
 >
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"Jos. Burke" wrote in message

 > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so
 > fond of are being
 > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on
 > manufacturer though they
 > still make reference to England as origin but not Ilford
 > apparently)--as
 > well as the printing paper which I assume may now be
 > produced by Kentmere as
 > they are now carrying (Announced in the catalog!)
 > Kentmere's line of
 > papers. I've not used Kentmere papers but really liked
 > both the original
 > versions of Arista Sheet Film and B&W Printing Papers.
 > That makes me worry
 > even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!!
 > Any inside information here!!
 > Jos. Burke
 >
Iford decided, as part of their re-organizing, to
discontinue to sell film for custom branding. Because the
overall volume of sales of film has fallen it turns out that
it cuts into their sales of Ilford branded film and is no
longer economical. I don't know what Freestyle has replaced
it with for their Arista brand. Freestyle has had to either
discontinue or change suppliers for its EDU brand of economy
films for the same reason. The sales of the regular branded
film (I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
stuff.

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In article ,
"Richard Knoppow" <dickburk.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 >I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
 > the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
 > stuff.

Forte.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:37:46 +0000, Gregory Blank wrote:



 >
  >>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
  >> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
  >> stuff.
 >
 > Forte.

Is Arista.EDU really Forte?? All I know is that when I used the
developing times recommended for Fortepan, I got terrible results.
However when I started using the times recommended by a slip of paper that
came in the of Arista.EDU film, my results started turning out MUCH better
(and the times are way different from Fortepan). Yet everybody on the web
seems to think it is Fortepan.

Yes, I should do my own speed and development tests. Getting to it
someday...
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:05:30 GMT, pgg
wrote:

 >On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:37:46 +0000, Gregory Blank wrote:
 >


  >>
   >>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
   >>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
   >>> stuff.
  >>
  >> Forte.
 >
 >Is Arista.EDU really Forte??

No. its ILFORD. Arista is a common brand name over there much like
ACME in the USA and Freestyle has been using it here for ages.. The
Arista rebadged line is also sold by Freephoto but their website seems
to be down.

However, I do know that Freestyle has the Forte stuff and its quite
possible it is Hungarian.

THOM

 >All I know is that when I used the
 >developing times recommended for Fortepan, I got terrible results.
 >However when I started using the times recommended by a slip of paper that
 >came in the of Arista.EDU film, my results started turning out MUCH better
 >(and the times are way different from Fortepan). Yet everybody on the web
 >seems to think it is Fortepan.
 >
 >Yes, I should do my own speed and development tests. Getting to it
 >someday...
 >
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In article ,
PGG <pa_paSPAAMgordygrapes.DeleteThis@NO_SP_A_Myahoo.com> wrote:

   > >>>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
   > >>>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
   > >>>> stuff.
   > >>>
   > >>> Forte.
   > >>
   > >>Is Arista.EDU really Forte??
  > >
  > > No. its ILFORD. Arista is a common brand name over there much like
  > > ACME in the USA and Freestyle has been using it here for ages.. The
  > > Arista rebadged line is also sold by Freephoto but their website seems
  > > to be down.
  > >
  > > However, I do know that Freestyle has the Forte stuff and its quite
  > > possible it is Hungarian.
  > >
 >
 > No, the Arista brand is Ilford. The Arista.EDU brand is something
 > different and _definitely_ not Ilford. I'm skeptical it is Fortepan
 > though.

It was, I don't know if it is....but until the recent Forte Problems
it was. From me its not hear say.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:08:33 GMT, PGG
wrote:

 >
   >>>>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and
   >>>>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded
   >>>>> stuff.
   >>>>
   >>>> Forte.
   >>>
   >>>Is Arista.EDU really Forte??
  >>
  >> No. its ILFORD. Arista is a common brand name over there much like
  >> ACME in the USA and Freestyle has been using it here for ages.. The
  >> Arista rebadged line is also sold by Freephoto but their website seems
  >> to be down.
  >>
  >> However, I do know that Freestyle has the Forte stuff and its quite
  >> possible it is Hungarian.
  >>
 >
 >No, the Arista brand is Ilford. The Arista.EDU brand is something
 >different and _definitely_ not Ilford. I'm skeptical it is Fortepan
 >though.
 >
After I posted what I did I started to wander around the net looking
for more info and its getting quite confusing indeed. This could get
interesting.

THOM
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\"Thom" wrote

 > After I posted what I did I started to wander around the net looking
 > for more info and its getting quite confusing indeed. This could get
 > interesting.

Why don't you just call FreeStyle and ask them what the film really is?
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0500, "J.Scheimpflug"
wrote:


 >
  >> After I posted what I did I started to wander around the net looking
  >> for more info and its getting quite confusing indeed. This could get
  >> interesting.
 >
 >Why don't you just call FreeStyle and ask them what the film really is?

because I'm in Australia

THOM
 >
 >
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"Thom" wrote in message

 > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0500, "J.Scheimpflug"
  >>Why don't you just call FreeStyle and ask them what the film really is?
 >
 > because I'm in Australia

Oh. How dim I am.
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