Speeed Graphic and the Hindenburg

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:32 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:

 >"Thom" <tomlyons.TakeThisOut@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
 >news:42127c8a.3326285@news.melbpc.org.au...
  >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:47:28 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
 >
   >>>USAF me, too but I worked at RAF Upper Heyford until '68.
  >>
  >> I did a short TDY there one summer. We used to head down to Half
  >> Penny Green to jump (skydive) on weekends. I remember the place as
  >> having the most boring front gate I've ever seen! Never made it
  >> to Oxford but every time I tried it rained.
 >
 >So you jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. Sorry we never met. I
 >studied at Oxford and did the RAF/USAF thing at the same time and could have
 >shown you how really good Oxford was. But life goes on, with rain or not,
 >life is good. Thanks for replying.

which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???

Were you an F-111 type?

THOM
 >
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In article <4212e784.4681870.TakeThisOut@news.melbpc.org.au>,
Thom <tomlyons.TakeThisOut@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
 >On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:32 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
  >>
  >>So you jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. Sorry we never met. I
  >>studied at Oxford and did the RAF/USAF thing at the same time and could have
  >>shown you how really good Oxford was. But life goes on, with rain or not,
  >>life is good. Thanks for replying.
 >
 >which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
 >did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???

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The 45 Grafmatic came onto the market in the early '50s at $19.95. I am
glad to see that this indepth discussion of the Hindenburg shots have
not ruled out the bag mags - which may have been used.

Regards,

Marv

Richard Knoppow wrote:
 > "Jean-David Beyer" <jdbeyer RemoveThis @exit109.com> wrote in message
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 >
  >>Alecj wrote (in part):
  >>
  >>
   >>>The Grafmatic had not yet been invented - they had "bag
   >>>magazines" but they
   >>>were slow to use.
   >>>
  >>
  >>When was it invented?
  >>
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  >> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User
  >>85642.
  >> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine
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  >>3.26, 3.24, 3.13
  >>
 >
 > It shows up in Graflex catalogues and advertising around
 > 1950. Grafmatics are intended to be used with Graflok backs,
 > not the older Graphic back. While they will fit into the
 > older back they are too thick and stretch the springs. Also,
 > they depend on the slide locks on the Graflok back to keep
 > the entire holder from pulling out when films are changed.
 > The Graflok back was introduced on the Century Graphic in
 > 1950 (maybe late 1949) and became standard equipment on all
 > Graphic cameras about 1951. They can also be retrofitted to
 > most Graphic and many Graflex cameras.
 > There was an earlier magazine available for Graflex
 > cameras, which had a different back from the Graphic. These
 > holders held 12 sheets of film and had a leather bag at the
 > side. To change the film the septum was pulled into the bag
 > and then inserted into a compartment at the back. Graflex
 > backs could be had on Graphic cameras on special order but
 > they were mostly used on cameras for scientific work where
 > some special accessory had to be attached. Holders for the
 > two backs are not interchangible. Graflex SLR cameras were
 > widely used for news photography in the 1920s but fell out
 > of use in the 1930s, supplanted by the Speed Graphic, which
 > was a much faster camera to use.
 >
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Yes, Marv - NOBODY has presented any evidence that bag magazines were used.
They HAVE been ruled out. Murray used SFH - period! Accept it.

"Marv Soloff" <msoloff DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:ZVkQd.41012$Th1.10821@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
 > The 45 Grafmatic came onto the market in the early '50s at $19.95. I am
 > glad to see that this indepth discussion of the Hindenburg shots have
 > not ruled out the bag mags - which may have been used.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Marv
 >
 > Richard Knoppow wrote:
  > > "Jean-David Beyer" <jdbeyer DeleteThis @exit109.com> wrote in message
  > > news:110tio9es9rd297@corp.supernews.com...
  > >
   > >>Alecj wrote (in part):
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>>The Grafmatic had not yet been invented - they had "bag
   > >>>magazines" but they
   > >>>were slow to use.
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >>When was it invented?
   > >>
   > >>--
   > >> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User
   > >>85642.
   > >> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine
   > >>241939.
<font color=brown>   > >> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://counter.li.org</font" target="_blank">http://counter.li.org</font</a>>
   > >> ^^-^^ 22:20:01 up 24 days, 6:35, 3 users, load average:
   > >>3.26, 3.24, 3.13
   > >>
  > >
  > > It shows up in Graflex catalogues and advertising around
  > > 1950. Grafmatics are intended to be used with Graflok backs,
  > > not the older Graphic back. While they will fit into the
  > > older back they are too thick and stretch the springs. Also,
  > > they depend on the slide locks on the Graflok back to keep
  > > the entire holder from pulling out when films are changed.
  > > The Graflok back was introduced on the Century Graphic in
  > > 1950 (maybe late 1949) and became standard equipment on all
  > > Graphic cameras about 1951. They can also be retrofitted to
  > > most Graphic and many Graflex cameras.
  > > There was an earlier magazine available for Graflex
  > > cameras, which had a different back from the Graphic. These
  > > holders held 12 sheets of film and had a leather bag at the
  > > side. To change the film the septum was pulled into the bag
  > > and then inserted into a compartment at the back. Graflex
  > > backs could be had on Graphic cameras on special order but
  > > they were mostly used on cameras for scientific work where
  > > some special accessory had to be attached. Holders for the
  > > two backs are not interchangible. Graflex SLR cameras were
  > > widely used for news photography in the 1920s but fell out
  > > of use in the 1930s, supplanted by the Speed Graphic, which
  > > was a much faster camera to use.
  > >
  > >
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In article <140220051918197403%gr8raoul@yahoo.com>, gr8raoul.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com
says...
 >
 > I do like using the Crown for a general purpose camera. I *really* wish
 > film pack was still available. 16 shots would be about right for lots
 > of the 'field trips' I take and would really cut down the bulk... (The
 > Weegee 'trunk full of holders' has its appeal, too! )
 >
For a bit more cost you can shoot the preloaded films from Kodak and
Fuji. That way you only need one holder and a bunch of very thin paper
envelopes to carry. You also have the advantages of not having to load
sheet film holders and developing only as many sheets as you have shot
without fussing with a partially shot film pack. Plus film pack film
was very thin and hard to handle. It was also slightly different in size
from sheet film and made for problems with negative carriers.
Another option is Polaroid type 55. Shoot in the field and develop when
you get back.

--
Robert D Feinman
Landscapes, Cityscapes and Panoramic Photographs
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://robertdfeinman.com" target="_blank">http://robertdfeinman.com</a>
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"Thom" <tomlyons.RemoveThis@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
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 > which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
 > did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???

NB it was philosophy and I was parttime, I am not an Oxford Scholar.
Christ's Church.

 > Were you an F-111 type?

I don't even know what an F-111 is. I visited the flightline only once, but
from elsewhere one could see many planes I was told were Voodoo RF101s and
occasionally they took in the U2. Upper Heyford was a reconnaissance
enterprise.

Why the river is called the Isis is unclear to me, except possibly to avoid
confusing the conjunction of the Thames and Cherwell, or just to give it
the Oxford flavor of difference. If you were there I hope you visited The
Turf Tavern. Look at this <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://elearning.winona.edu/jjs/me/jjs.jpg," target="_blank">http://elearning.winona.edu/jjs/me/jjs.jpg,</a> (1965)
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"Chris Brown" <cpbrown RemoveThis @ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote in message
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 > And while we're at it, why do they punt from the wrong end?

That is the correct end. Everybody else is wrong, of course.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:28:21 GMT, Chris Brown
<cpbrown DeleteThis @ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:

 >In article <4212e784.4681870 DeleteThis @news.melbpc.org.au>,
 >Thom <tomlyons DeleteThis @melbpc.org.au> wrote:
  >>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:32 -0600, "jjs" <jjs DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>So you jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. Sorry we never met. I
   >>>studied at Oxford and did the RAF/USAF thing at the same time and could have
   >>>shown you how really good Oxford was. But life goes on, with rain or not,
   >>>life is good. Thanks for replying.
  >>
  >>which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
  >>did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???
 >
 >And while we're at it, why do they punt from the wrong end?

I thought that was Cambridge on the river Cam???

THOM<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:20:23 -0600, "jjs" <john@xstafford.net>
wrote:

 >
 >"Thom" <tomlyons.DeleteThis@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
 >news:4212e784.4681870@news.melbpc.org.au...
 >
  >> which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
  >> did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???
 >
 >NB it was philosophy and I was parttime, I am not an Oxford Scholar.
 >Christ's Church.
 >
  >> Were you an F-111 type?
 >
 >I don't even know what an F-111 is. I visited the flightline only once, but
 >from elsewhere one could see many planes I was told were Voodoo RF101s and
 >occasionally they took in the U2. Upper Heyford was a reconnaissance
 >enterprise.

Thats why I was there. I only spent a short time there and after
going back to Altus and then to Nam I got reaquainted with the RF-101
and then after Nam 101B's at Hamilton AFB
 >
 >Why the river is called the Isis is unclear to me, except possibly to avoid
 >confusing the conjunction of the Thames and Cherwell, or just to give it
 >the Oxford flavor of difference. If you were there I hope you visited The
 >Turf Tavern. Look at this <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://elearning.winona.edu/jjs/me/jjs.jpg," target="_blank">http://elearning.winona.edu/jjs/me/jjs.jpg,</a> (1965)
 >does that look like an Oxford scholar?

I never made it into the city itself. I had a high clearence and
would do these TDY's to places where super secret intel/recon stuff
was involved and someone was sick or the work load was overwealming.
I hope someday to make it back. In 1985 I had a job interview in
Swindon (which I really liked being a railfan now), got the job and
was packing when they dropped the job. It was to be with Fujimax.
After the interview I was shown some new council housing and one
bedroom town houses were US$86.45 a month (19 pounds a week) and I was
paying $375 back in New Mexico! The job paid 15,000 quid.

Cheers
THOM
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In article <4213ca02.5073814.TakeThisOut@news.melbpc.org.au>,
Thom <tomlyons.TakeThisOut@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
 >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:28:21 GMT, Chris Brown
 ><cpbrown.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
 >
  >>In article <4212e784.4681870.TakeThisOut@news.melbpc.org.au>,
  >>Thom <tomlyons.TakeThisOut@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
   >>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:32 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>So you jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. Sorry we never met. I
   >>>>studied at Oxford and did the RAF/USAF thing at the same time and could have
   >>>>shown you how really good Oxford was. But life goes on, with rain or not,
   >>>>life is good. Thanks for replying.
   >>>
   >>>which college at Oxford? And maybe you can asnwer a question. Why
   >>>did they rename the Thames River where it goes thru Oxford???
  >>
  >>And while we're at it, why do they punt from the wrong end?
 >
 >I thought that was Cambridge on the river Cam???

I can assure you that here in Cambridge, we stand on the back and the boat
goes forward. This chap is trying to demonstrate, but appears to be having
some difficulty, as his lady-friend is using a paddle:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg" target="_blank">http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg</a>

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"Chris Brown" <cpbrown DeleteThis @ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:

 > I can assure you that here in Cambridge, we stand on the back and the boat
 > goes forward. This chap is trying to demonstrate, but appears to be having
 > some difficulty, as his lady-friend is using a paddle:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg</font" target="_blank">http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg</font</a>>

Suddenly I could care less which end of the boat... so homesick...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <111580id8be48c4.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>, jjs <jjs.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote:
 >
 >"Chris Brown" <cpbrown.RemoveThis@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
 >
  >> I can assure you that here in Cambridge, we stand on the back and the boat
  >> goes forward. This chap is trying to demonstrate, but appears to be having
  >> some difficulty, as his lady-friend is using a paddle:
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg</font" target="_blank">http://narcissus.dyndns.org/Chris/clare_bridge.jpg</font</a>>
 >
 >Suddenly I could care less which end of the boat... so homesick...

It's currently grey and cold, if that's any comfort...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Thom" <tomlyons.DeleteThis@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
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 > I never made it into the city itself. I had a high clearence and
 > would do these TDY's to places where super secret intel/recon stuff
 > was involved and someone was sick or the work load was overwealming.

Security - interesting. I recall one evening riding down the Queens highway
and seeing a lot of civilian autos on the side of the road nearest the head
of the flightline, but still quite far from it. Some even had tablecloths
across the bonnet and people were picknicing. I asked the driver what was up
and he said, "They are waiting for the U2 to come in." I asked him how the
heck they knew it was landing and he said "The base is full of men with
spitshined black shoes and dark suits when the U2 comes in." Another was in
Chambley France where they parked aircraft close enough to the road to see
and one day they were painting them all in camo. Shortly thereafter they all
took off, one after another all day and the base was shut down. Gee, I
wonder where they were going, eh? (1965)

Back to photography - I got a huge roll of 9" film still in the can from the
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