Replacement for Kodachrome?

Velvia is no replacement for Kodachrome, and Velvia is shit.
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In article <0LDvd.3645$2J2.3243@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Jeremy <jeremy.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:

 > I'd like to know what is closest to the old Kodachrome 25, in
 > terms of color saturation and resolution. I especially liked the way
 > Kodachrome 25 handled greens, as I do a fair amount of landscapes.

As far as resolution, there's nothing even close. For color rendition
(especially greens) the lower speed Fujichromes are nice. Personally, i
find Velvia has too high a contrast; but then I feel that way about
most current emulsions.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"New" Elite Chrome 100 and E100G are very high... I'm not sure they are the
highest, but they are finer-grained than Kodachrome 25, as best I recall.
You can check data sheets on www.kodak.com and www.fujifilm.com (or
www.fujifilm.co.jp).

In fact I can't resist doing so...

Kodachrome 25:
RMS granularity 9
MTF 10% at 80 cycles/mm (color not given)

Kodak Ektachrome Professional E100G:
RMS granularity 8
MTF 10% at 80 cycles/mm red, worse in green and blue

Fuji Velvia 50:
RMS granularity 9
MTF 10% at about 100 cycles/mm (extrapolating from incomplete curve),
color not given

I'll leave it to others to advise you about color rendition!
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 >From: "Jeremy" jeremy RemoveThis @nospam.com

 >Are there any test results available on which slide film has the highest
 >resolution? I'd like to know what is closest to the old Kodachrome 25, in
 >terms of color saturation and resolution.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://creekin.net/films.htm" target="_blank">http://creekin.net/films.htm</a> ... several of the slow speed Fuji films (asa
50-100) introduced in the last 14 years, beginning with Velvia in 1990, have
higher resolving power and finer grain that K-25, which is one of the primary
reasons it was dropped, no one bought it any more.

As far as color saturation, both Kodak and Fuji offer different slide emulsions
with different amounts of saturation ... Kodak used to have E-100 S, SW and VS
for 'saturated', 'saturated warm' and 'very saturated' (one or two --SW and
maybe S -- of these have been replaced but I haven't tested the new ones).
With Fuji, Astia 100F is the low saturation portrait film, Provia 100F is the
moderate saturated film which I find good for wildlife and Velvia is the highly
saturated film most commonly used for landscapes.

 >I especially liked the way Kodachrome 25 handled greens, as I do a fair
 >amount of landscapes.

Velvia is by far the most popular film for landscape photographers ... pick up
a copy of Nature's Best annual contest issue or the BBC Wildlife Photographer
of the Year portfolios and you'll see that 60-80% of the winning nature images
were shot with Velvia.

A short list of well-known landscape photographers who are on record as
preferring Velvia includes most of the big names, like Jack Dykinga, David
Muench, Tom Till, Robert Glenn Ketchum, Carr Clifton, Galen Rowell, Jim
Brandenburg, Frans Lanting etc etc.

Best thing you can do is try a roll of each of the slow speed emulsions under
similar test conditions and compare on a lightbox since color palette
preference is a personal matter though.

Bill<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Low target contrast is better for testing films. Kodachrome is far
superior in sharpness.
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In article <1103042711.000405.79740 DeleteThis @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<uraniumcommittee DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
 >Velvia is no replacement fo Kodachrome, and Velvia is shit.

And they say the art of debate is dead.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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  >> Jeremy <jeremy DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> I'd like to know what is closest to the old Kodachrome 25, in
  >> terms of color saturation and resolution.

 >From: Scott Schuckert not DeleteThis @aol.com
 >
 >As far as resolution, there's nothing even close.

Well, you can shoot a test target and measure the resolution ... you're right,
it's not close, but probably not the way you meant it ... for the high contrast
target here's what you get ... (higher is better)

100 lpm Kodachrome 25, Kodachrome 64
125 lpm newer Ektachrome E-100 emulsions
140 lpm Provia 100F, Astia 100F
160 lpm Velvia, Velvia 100F

Kodachrome was the best slide film in the world for many decades but the
emulsions haven't changed since 1975 and beginning around 1990 the better E-6
films began to eclipse it, which is why K-25 was dropped and sales of K-64 have
fallen off so much.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Bill Hilton <bhilton665 DeleteThis @aol.comedy> wrote:
   >>> Jeremy <jeremy DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> I'd like to know what is closest to the old Kodachrome 25, in
   >>> terms of color saturation and resolution.
 >
  >>From: Scott Schuckert not DeleteThis @aol.com
  >>
  >>As far as resolution, there's nothing even close.
 >
 > Well, you can shoot a test target and measure the resolution
.... you're right,
 > it's not close, but probably not the way you meant it

Kodachrome (all types) are high acutance films. The MTF
curves show a broad peak around 10 lp/mm. This is largely
responsible for the sharp appearance of Kodachrome slides
compared to E6 process slides.

K25
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K64
<www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e55/f002_0489ac.gif>

K200
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ao.

Peter.
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In article <1103042711.000405.79740 DeleteThis @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<uraniumcommittee DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>Velvia is no replacement fo Kodachrome, and Velvia is shit.

  > And they say the art of debate is dead.

Ah, this week's leader for the pithy and punchy post! Nice.

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Of course not. Shaw's a moron.
 >> Stay informed about: Replacement for Kodachrome? 

You are full of shit. Kodachrome still trounces any E-6 film is
sharpness. Go spread your ignorant lies somewhere else.
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Bill Hilton wrote:


 > films began to eclipse it, which is why K-25 was dropped and sales of K-64 have
 > fallen off so much.

The culprits were also:

--zoom lenses with relatively small apertures.
--emergence of 1 hours print photo services -- death of the slide show
--E-6 turnaround in a day (v. several days/week for K-25/64)

I'm not sure when ISO 100 E-6 began to get to finer resolutions that compared to
K-25.

Cheers,
Alan


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