Recommendations for cheap 6x9?

I
  > > would prefer to get something thats top-of-the-range but old, rather
  > > than a poor new camera.

Not to worry, it's not like there's a big selection of new 6x9 cameras to
choose from, poor or otherwise. In fact now that Fuji's gone from the medium
format scene I'm not sure anyone still makes a new 6x9 camera. Linhof maybe?
I don't remember anything about their medium format stuff (though for your
purposes it doesn't matter, Linhof and limited budgets don't like each
other).

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 > Andrew McCall wrote:
  > > Hi Folks,
  > >
  > > Can anyone recommend a quality 6x9 camera and lens for someone on a
  > > budget? It doesn't have to be state of the art - an older 60's, 60's
  > > or 70's one will do so long as its going to produce sharp results. I
  > > would prefer to get something thats top-of-the-range but old, rather
  > > than a poor new camera.
  > >
  > > Thanks,
  > >
  > > Andrew McCall
 >
 > Mamiya Universal or super. Can be bought for a few bucks on Ebay. The
 > 6X9 backs are a bit scarce though. I'm still searching for my second one.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 12 Nov 2004 05:44:13 -0800, andrew.mccall.DeleteThis@gmail.com (Andrew McCall)
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 >Hi Folks,
 >
 >Can anyone recommend a quality 6x9 camera and lens for someone on a
 >budget?

It depends from ... the "budget".

You can find fine Fuji 690 fixed-lens rangefinder cameras (GW690, for
example) at about $800 in very good conditions...

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Possible 6 x 9's besides the Mamiya could also include the Baby Graphic which,
with a Graflok back, can accept a wide range of lenses and 6 x 9, 6 x 7, and 6
x 6 rollfilm backs.
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On 12 Nov 2004 22:06:09 GMT, kfritch RemoveThis @aol.com (KFritch) wrote:

 >Possible 6 x 9's besides the Mamiya could also include the Baby Graphic which,
 >with a Graflok back, can accept a wide range of lenses and 6 x 9, 6 x 7, and 6
 >x 6 rollfilm backs.

Yes. At the moment I'm also looking at a Horseman 980, with 6x9 roll
back. But a recessed lens board for a 65 (the kind of FOV I'm looking
for), and a 65 itself, seem not easy to find.

ATM I found those possible options:

Fuji 690 series -> no movements

Fuji 680 series -> huge, heavy; short focal lenses cost an arm and a
leg

Horseman 980/985 -> not really cheap when including shipping in the
EU, but viable. 65 + lensboard not so easy to find.

Horseman Technical Press -> could not find informations about
compatible rollfilm backs and lens boards.

Super Graphic and the likes -> questionable with shorter focal lenses,
still did not find exactly which kind of rollfilm back fits, limited
movements

Meridian 45 -> seems interesting, can be found very cheap, but
spring-type 120 rollfilm backs seem just impossible to find! Plus, I
suspect some kind of adapter is needed for 4x5 -> 120 back?

SIGH!!

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"Fernando" <fcarello RemoveThis @tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
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 > Yes. At the moment I'm also looking at a Horseman 980, with 6x9 roll
 > back. But a recessed lens board for a 65 (the kind of FOV I'm looking
 > for), and a 65 itself, seem not easy to find.
 >
 > ATM I found those possible options:
 >
 > Fuji 690 series -> no movements
 >[....]

Would I be a spoilsport to mention the 6x9 and 6x12 'folding' cameras by
Zeiss and Voitlander? They have shift and rise, and there is plenty of film
available for them from J&. I have a few of these cameras with film
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:58:05 -0600, "jjs" <jjs DeleteThis @x.x.com> wrote:

 >Would I be a spoilsport to mention the 6x9 and 6x12 'folding' cameras by
 >Zeiss and Voitlander? They have shift and rise, and there is plenty of film
 >available for them from J&.

You mean those fine '30-'40 cameras (I think also Kodak did some) with
626 (or 620? I don't remember) rollfilm type (with the wooden reel)?
In Italy it's impossible to find such a film.
Actually, in Italy it's impossible to find any film that is not 135,
120 or 4x5". With 4x5 becoming harder and harder to find (and to get
processed).

I'm in love with the Arca Swiss 6x9. But it costs too much...
Now I'm bidding for a Horseman 980 with 6x9 120 film back and the
standard 105 lens. If I win, I'll have to find a 65 with recessed
lensboard.
If not, well, I'll be hunting again for some other camera...

All advices are very welcome!

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"Fernando" <fcarello.RemoveThis@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:58:05 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.RemoveThis@x.x.com> wrote:
 >
  >>Would I be a spoilsport to mention the 6x9 and 6x12 'folding' cameras by
  >>Zeiss and Voitlander? They have shift and rise, and there is plenty of
  >>film
  >>available for them from J&.
 >
 > You mean those fine '30-'40 cameras (I think also Kodak did some) with
 > 626 (or 620?

Close, Fernando! But the cameras I speak of all use modern 120 film.

 > In Italy it's impossible to find such a film.
 > Actually, in Italy it's impossible to find any film that is not 135,
 > 120 or 4x5". With 4x5 becoming harder and harder to find (and to get
 > processed).

If you are willing to develop it yourself, as many of us do, then consider
ordering from these people. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.jandcphoto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.jandcphoto.com/</a> Much of the good
film is made in Croatia (I think), and there's everything a person would
want, although 120 is common and therefore very reasonably priced.

 > I'm in love with the Arca Swiss 6x9. But it costs too much...

Ach, it's French-made anyway.

 > Now I'm bidding for a Horseman 980 with 6x9 120 film back and the
 > standard 105 lens. If I win, I'll have to find a 65 with recessed
 > lensboard.

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"Shelley" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote:
 > I
   > > > would prefer to get something thats top-of-the-range but old, rather
   > > > than a poor new camera.
 >
 > Not to worry, it's not like there's a big selection of new 6x9 cameras to
 > choose from, poor or otherwise. In fact now that Fuji's gone from the
 > medium format scene I'm not sure anyone still makes a new 6x9 camera.
 > Linhof maybe?

There are a lot of 6x9 field and view cameras*, and some specialty things
like the Alpa and Horseman superwides. Some or all of these may be out of
production, though.

*: Horseman, Hanza, Ebony, Fotox (sp? (I'm looking at a Japanese book)),
Arca Swiss, Cambo, Linhof,

 > I don't remember anything about their medium format stuff (though for
your
 > purposes it doesn't matter, Linhof and limited budgets don't like each
 > other).

Really.

David J. Littleboy
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 > There are a lot of 6x9 field and view cameras*, and some specialty things
 > like the Alpa and Horseman superwides. Some or all of these may be out of
 > production, though. > *: Horseman, Hanza, Ebony, Fotox (sp? (I'm looking
at a Japanese book)),
 > Arca Swiss, Cambo, Linhof,


True. I was thinking of roll film cameras rather than field/view cameras
with roll film backs.

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 >
 > "Shelley" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:
  > > I
   > > > > would prefer to get something thats top-of-the-range but old, rather
   > > > > than a poor new camera.
  > >
  > > Not to worry, it's not like there's a big selection of new 6x9 cameras
to
  > > choose from, poor or otherwise. In fact now that Fuji's gone from the
  > > medium format scene I'm not sure anyone still makes a new 6x9 camera.
  > > Linhof maybe?
 >
 > There are a lot of 6x9 field and view cameras*, and some specialty things
 > like the Alpa and Horseman superwides. Some or all of these may be out of
 > production, though.
 >
 > *: Horseman, Hanza, Ebony, Fotox (sp? (I'm looking at a Japanese book)),
 > Arca Swiss, Cambo, Linhof,
 >
  > > I don't remember anything about their medium format stuff (though for
 > your
  > > purposes it doesn't matter, Linhof and limited budgets don't like each
  > > other).
 >
 > Really.
 >
 > David J. Littleboy
 > Tokyo, Japan
 >
 >
 >
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"Fernando" <fcarello.TakeThisOut@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:58:05 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.TakeThisOut@x.x.com> wrote:
 >
[SNIP]
 > Now I'm bidding for a Horseman 980 with 6x9 120 film back and the
 > standard 105 lens. If I win, I'll have to find a 65 with recessed
 > lensboard.

I have a Horseman recessed lensboard that I don't need and that might be
what you would need - if you win, and are interested, get in touch and we
can 'do a deal'.


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"Fernando" <fcarello.DeleteThis@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:43:28 -0600, "jjs" <jjs.DeleteThis@x.x.com> wrote:
 >
   >>> You mean those fine '30-'40 cameras (I think also Kodak did some) with
   >>> 626 (or 620?
  >>
  >>Close, Fernando! But the cameras I speak of all use modern 120 film.
 >
 > Now you got me curious!!!
 > Please tell me a little more...!

I have this one <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/images/MaximarB.JPG" target="_blank">http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/images/MaximarB.JPG</a> which is
about 6x9. Movements are limited to rise and shift. You can super-extend the
lens for macros. The finders (2) are close enough to frame, then you can use
either zone focus or focus using the ground glass. When folded, the camera
fits in your pocket. (It uses sheet film or an accessory 120 roll film
back.)

Here is a Zeiss folder that is strictly 120 roll film. It has a rangefinder.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://regis.boissier.free.fr/fotofexcameras/cameras%20for%20trade/g_zeiss_super_ikonta_530_2.jpg" target="_blank">http://regis.boissier.free.fr/fotofexcameras/cameras%20for%20trade/g_z...s_super</a>
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:43:28 -0600, "jjs" <jjs DeleteThis @x.x.com> wrote:

  >> You mean those fine '30-'40 cameras (I think also Kodak did some) with
  >> 626 (or 620?
 >
 >Close, Fernando! But the cameras I speak of all use modern 120 film.

Now you got me curious!!!
Please tell me a little more...!

 >If you are willing to develop it yourself, as many of us do, then consider
 >ordering from these people. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.jandcphoto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.jandcphoto.com/</a> Much of the good
 >film is made in Croatia (I think), and there's everything a person would
 >want, although 120 is common and therefore very reasonably priced.

Thank you! I'm scared my the idea of non-120 or 135 processing (I do
process BW 120 and 135 myself), expecially after having read this
article about self-processing 4x5" sheets:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.largeformatphotography.info/alternative-developing/" target="_blank">http://www.largeformatphotography.info/alternative-developing/</a>

Dishearting, for me at least!

  >> I'm in love with the Arca Swiss 6x9. But it costs too much...
 >
 >Ach, it's French-made anyway.

Yes... a colleague of mine has one of them with a SuperAngulon 47 I
think. Beautiful mechanic, and beautiful results BTW (but then, it's
the photographer...)

Thank you!

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Fernando <fcarello RemoveThis @tiscalinet.it> wrote:

 >Thank you! I'm scared my the idea of non-120 or 135 processing (I do
 > process BW 120 and 135 myself), expecially after having read this
 > article about self-processing 4x5" sheets:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.largeformatphotography.info/alternative-developing/</font" target="_blank">http://www.largeformatphotography.info/alternative-developing/</font</a>>
 >
 > Dishearting, for me at least!

Don't take half of what you read as gospel in that article.

Everyones experience is different.

I process sheet film especially Ilford in the Jobo Cpp2, I always prewet film despite
what the manufacturers state (Because I have found it does produce even processing results
in my Jobo). I also tip the drum once per minute
so I get perfectly even results. I also use the print drums
as opposed to the film drums for 8x10 film (one sheet at a time though)

Their are lots of ways to accurately develop sheets or rolls and it all just takes
ongoing practice.
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