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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:44 pm
Post subject: Rebel XT flash problem / question
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| Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:44 pm
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"grumpy" <reko19-at-yahoo-dot-com> wrote in message
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> Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
The flash metering on my 20D gives the same, consistent results you are
getting with the RebXT, which isn't surprising, given that they both use
ETT-L II. If you shoot on manual, and overexpose by between a stop and a
stop and two thirds, you'll be ok. BUT! you may just be exceeding the range
of the built in flash, if that's what you are using. It has a guide number
of something like 12, as opposed to 58 for the 580EX, for example...
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:50 pm
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"grumpy" <reko19-at-yahoo-dot-com> wrote in message
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> Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
I don't use flash much so I just set my FEC to +1 1/3 and live with it.
Maybe one of these days I'll call Canon.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:54 am
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In article <ut9m511rrk4v8jmkhpej548brsv8suaf6m.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, grumpy wrote:
> Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:09 am
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"Randall Ainsworth" <rag RemoveThis @nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ut9m511rrk4v8jmkhpej548brsv8suaf6m RemoveThis @4ax.com>, grumpy wrote:
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> > Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> > taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> > of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> > with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> > to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
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> Take it out of dummy mode.
What a fucking lame response.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:38 am
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grumpy wrote:
> Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
Learn to use the camera. You'll do fine.
The histogram, by the way, reports how many pixels at the range of tone
levels. If a scene is mainly white, then the histo will be heaped up on
the right. If a scenes is mainly dark, the histo will be heaped up on
the left.
Get out of full auto. Use the Av mode at large aperture settings (no
smaller than f/8 for now). If the camera has it, learn to use the flash
comp. When the subject is a light color, comp +ve; dark colors, comp -ve.
Cheers,
Alan
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:38 am
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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne RemoveThis @freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> grumpy wrote:
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> > Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> > taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> > of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> > with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> > to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
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> Learn to use the camera. You'll do fine.
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> The histogram, by the way, reports how many pixels at the range of tone
> levels. If a scene is mainly white, then the histo will be heaped up on
> the right. If a scenes is mainly dark, the histo will be heaped up on
> the left.
>
> Get out of full auto. Use the Av mode at large aperture settings (no
> smaller than f/8 for now). If the camera has it, learn to use the flash
> comp. When the subject is a light color, comp +ve; dark colors, comp -ve.
>
I'll post some examples when I get back from NJ/NY next week because no
matter what the subject and lighting when I use the built-in flash it is
over a stop underexposed. I've just resorted to setting FEC to plus 1 1/3.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:06 am
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grumpy <reko19-at-yahoo-dot-com> writes:
> Just got my Rebel XT tonight, somewhat disappointed with the pics
> taken in full auto with flash. they all come out dark with about 30%
> of the histogram on the right totally flat. never had this problem
> with powershot S50 or previous rebel. any help? I only have few days
> to exchange the camera, any suggestions are appreciated.
What was the ISO full auto selected? Ambient light conditions?
Distance to subject?
Those on camera flashes tend to be quite lackluster in their guide
numbers.
Answering the above question will dictate whether it's a guide number
issue or poor flash metering. The 300D/Rebel suffers from the
latter, in my experience, but the XT with ETT-II is supposed to be an
improvement over that (but only if your flash has an appropriate guide
number to cover the subject distance, selected ISO and ambient light
conditions).
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:16 pm
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G.T. wrote:
> "Randall Ainsworth" <rag DeleteThis @nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
>>Take it out of dummy mode.
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> What a fucking lame response.
While RA is indeed a lamer, I have to say that his response was both
more correct and more useful than yours and he managed it without the
bravado language of an 11 year old who's learned a dirty word.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:16 pm
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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne RemoveThis @freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> G.T. wrote:
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> > "Randall Ainsworth" <rag RemoveThis @nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
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> >>Take it out of dummy mode.
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> > What a fucking lame response.
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> While RA is indeed a lamer, I have to say that his response was both
> more correct and more useful than yours and he managed it without the
> bravado language of an 11 year old who's learned a dirty word.
>
Just because he didn't use profanity doesn't mean he wasn't using "the
bravado language of an 11 year old". He just did it without using a word
that may be dirty to you but isn't to me.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:07 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:51 pm
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birch999 RemoveThis @hotmail.com <Stan Birch> writes:
> Here at home, for the last couple weeks, I've been dealing with some of
> the anomalies of this camera; and at times it's been a totally
> aggravating learning-experience. But more-and-more, as I experiment,
> I've yet to encounter a single aspect of the beast I haven't been able
> to conquer!
Curious, have you done any shooting with an external flash unit? How
are the results?
I'm still probing for whether the ETTL-II offered by the XT would
address my gripe with the digital Rebel.
I'd like to avoid having to think in terms of spot metering, and use a
lot of flash exposure lock in P mode like you do with the Rebel/300D I
currently have. In short, to have it work "right" the way the Elan
does with center weighted averaging A-TTL metering.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:47 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:05 pm
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Well, guys thank you for the replies. Excellent reply from Stan. It
almost appears that Canon did set flash about a stop too low on
purpose. Didn't think of this. I am not new to this hobby and will
definitely take camera out of the "dummy" mode (thank you very much),
just wanted to make sure that I don't have to rush out to exchange it.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:01 am
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G.T. wrote:
> I'll post some examples when I get back from NJ/NY next week because no
> matter what the subject and lighting when I use the built-in flash it is
> over a stop underexposed. I've just resorted to setting FEC to plus 1 1/3.
Be careful of 'where' you set the FEC. The metering after the preflash
assumes some average reflectivity. So for a dark subject you will be
grossly overexposed. For a light subject, even 1.3 might be
underexposed. Experiment!
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