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theartist

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:41 pm
Post subject: RIP Contax?
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Now that Kyocera has officially admitted that Contax products will no longer
be produced (by them), it seems like another case of corporate double-talk.
First, the rumors, then denail, and now the truth. If it is true, and all
Contax is done, then it's a shame. The 645 system is nice, digital capable,
and deserved a better fate. s for the G series, well, nice idea poorly
executed.

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fotoralf

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:55 pm
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TAFKAB <TheArtist DeleteThis @FormerlyKnownAs.Bowser> wrote:

 > Now that Kyocera has officially admitted that Contax products will no longer
 > be produced (by them), it seems like another case of corporate double-talk.
 > First, the rumors, then denail, and now the truth. If it is true, and all
 > Contax is done, then it's a shame. The 645 system is nice, digital capable,
 > and deserved a better fate. s for the G series, well, nice idea poorly
 > executed.

So?

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manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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TAFKAB

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:48 pm
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"Ralf R. Radermacher" <fotoralf RemoveThis @gmx.de> wrote in message
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 > TAFKAB <TheArtist RemoveThis @FormerlyKnownAs.Bowser> wrote:
 >
  >> Now that Kyocera has officially admitted that Contax products will no
  >> longer
  >> be produced (by them), it seems like another case of corporate
  >> double-talk.
  >> First, the rumors, then denail, and now the truth. If it is true, and all
  >> Contax is done, then it's a shame. The 645 system is nice, digital
  >> capable,
  >> and deserved a better fate. s for the G series, well, nice idea poorly
  >> executed.
 >
 > So?

It was just a comment. If you care to share an opinion, please do.

 >
 > --
 > Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany
<font color=purple> > private homepage: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fotoralf.de</font" target="_blank">http://www.fotoralf.de</font</a>>
 > manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
 > Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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tlianza

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:34 am
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The death of Contax is a result of the general shift to digital. The format
doesn't really matter. I never owned a contax, but I liked the G series
features. I chose Leica because I didn't need the automation and I could
afford it. I liked the Contax 35 slr's but I already had a full Nikon
system. The 645 Contax was a beautiful machine, but realistically, the
modern digital slr is more versatile and easy to use (although it is not
much easier to carry). My own belief is that Zeiss will do something. The
line needs to be pruned down considerably. In my opinion, they should keep
the 645 with a digital back and maybe produce a digital G3 like the Epson
RD-1 that supported the G1/g2 user base. If they have large lens base in
the 35 world, they should contract for a digital body in that world.

That's my opinion.

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"TAFKAB" <not.DeleteThis@right.now> wrote in message
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 > "Ralf R. Radermacher" <fotoralf.DeleteThis@gmx.de> wrote in message
 > news:1gv0y10.1odvcugbsx5a8N%fotoralf@gmx.de...
  >> TAFKAB <TheArtist.DeleteThis@FormerlyKnownAs.Bowser> wrote:
  >>
   >>> Now that Kyocera has officially admitted that Contax products will no
   >>> longer
   >>> be produced (by them), it seems like another case of corporate
   >>> double-talk.
   >>> First, the rumors, then denail, and now the truth. If it is true, and
   >>> all
   >>> Contax is done, then it's a shame. The 645 system is nice, digital
   >>> capable,
   >>> and deserved a better fate. s for the G series, well, nice idea poorly
   >>> executed.
  >>
  >> So?
 >
 > It was just a comment. If you care to share an opinion, please do.
 >
  >>
  >> --
  >> Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany
<font color=green>  >> private homepage: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fotoralf.de</font" target="_blank">http://www.fotoralf.de</font</a>>
  >> manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
  >> Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
 >
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:39 pm
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tlianza wrote:

 >If they have large lens base in
 > the 35 world, they should contract for a digital body in that world.
 >

The problem is trying to use rangefinder lenses on a digital sensor. The
epson used with wide lenses has already shown to have problems. This is the
reason Leica hasn't gone there, they know it won't work very well.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:39 pm
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"Stacey" <fotocord.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > The problem is trying to use rangefinder lenses on a digital sensor. The
 > epson used with wide lenses has already shown to have problems. This is
 > the
 > reason Leica hasn't gone there, they know it won't work very well.

Are you referring to Zeiss' literature regarding their new lenses for
digital work?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:58 pm
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J.Scheimpflug wrote:

 > "Stacey" <fotocord.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:3cb8mgF6kda6rU1@individual.net...
 >
  >> The problem is trying to use rangefinder lenses on a digital sensor. The
  >> epson used with wide lenses has already shown to have problems. This is
  >> the
  >> reason Leica hasn't gone there, they know it won't work very well.
 >
 > Are you referring to Zeiss' literature regarding their new lenses for
 > digital work?


No I was talking about the epson and regular film wide lenses

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/rd-1-lens.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/rd-1-lens.shtml</a>

and Leica's position of why they haven't made a digital body for their
rangefinder lenses. These are so far removed from being "telecentric" they
just don't work well with digital sensors. Normal 35mm SLR lenses are close
enough to work well being retrofocus in design.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:29 am
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I own an RD-1, I use a CV21 routinely on it and I also use the 12mm CV lens
on it. Sean Reid, didn't bother testing the lenses on a film camera and
measuring the vignetting. Those lenses vignette on film camera as well. I
use a 14mm f/2.8 on a Nikon film camera and it vignettes. The only
difference is that the electronic camera packages offer correction which
corrects the artifact.

This link has some of my observations of the RD1.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tlianza.com/epsonRD1.html" target="_blank">http://www.tlianza.com/epsonRD1.html</a>

With respect to the issue of telecentric lenses: The word "telecentric" is
thrown around alot, especially by folks who don't do lens design. You
wouldn't want to own a telecentric design and they aren't generally
available for photographic purposes. A true telecentric design limits the
field of view and it requires relatively high f numbers to avoid huge
lenses. The design trend in these digital lenses is towards highly
asymmetric designs with the aperture stop as far from the focal plane as
possible. Movement away from symmetry about the stop requires quite a bit of
computation to minimize aberrations in a fast lens and it generally requires
aspheric elements to the correct aberrations. The 35mm F1.4 summilux is
and the CV 35 f 1.7 are excellent examples of lenses that illustrate this
trend (Note that the front element of each of these lenses is concave, not
convex.)

The 12mm lens on the RD-1 represents a worst case scenario and frankly, it
isn't bad at all.

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Director of Display and Capture Technologies
GretagMacbeth LLC
3 Industrial Drive
Unit 7&8
Windham, NH 03087
603.681.0315 x232 Tel
603.681.0316 Fax


"Stacey" <fotocord.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > J.Scheimpflug wrote:
 >
  >> "Stacey" <fotocord.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >> news:3cb8mgF6kda6rU1@individual.net...
  >>
   >>> The problem is trying to use rangefinder lenses on a digital sensor. The
   >>> epson used with wide lenses has already shown to have problems. This is
   >>> the
   >>> reason Leica hasn't gone there, they know it won't work very well.
  >>
  >> Are you referring to Zeiss' literature regarding their new lenses for
  >> digital work?
 >
 >
 > No I was talking about the epson and regular film wide lenses
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/rd-1-lens.shtml</font" target="_blank">http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/rd-1-lens.shtml</font</a>>
 >
 > and Leica's position of why they haven't made a digital body for their
 > rangefinder lenses. These are so far removed from being "telecentric" they
 > just don't work well with digital sensors. Normal 35mm SLR lenses are
 > close
 > enough to work well being retrofocus in design.
 > --
 >
 > Stacey<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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