RA-4 filtration and exposure question. Basic

Jim Phelps <jim.phelps.TakeThisOut@mi.com> wrote:

 >
 > First, CYAN is not ND. If you have equal amount of all three colors
 > (YMC) then you have ND. If you had a filter pack of 70Y, 40M and 20C you
 > would also have the same filtration with a filter pack of 50Y, 20M, and 0C
 > with a shorter exposure time.

That fits some of the other info better.


 >
 > Most color papers are standard RC weight. Ilford makes a really
 > expensive paper that's on a polyester base. Not sure if it's worth it...

I'm used to Agfa RC B&W paper. The Kodak RC paper feels so thin.

 >
 > I can't comment first hand, but I have heard of people having real color
 > problems with Endura. Are you using Ultra Endura by chance and Portra VC or
 > UC? If so, I can understand the redheaded, blackhaired print...


Actually I grabbed the first negative I could find. Wasn't really
expecting to much. The film is likely 15+ year old Kodak film. I'll try
dialing in some more yellow and magenta. At worst I waste some paper-). I
just wanted to get a clear idea of the direction I should be heading.

Thanks
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"> Actually I grabbed the first negative I could find. Wasn't really
 > expecting to much. The film is likely 15+ year old Kodak film. I'll try
 > dialing in some more yellow and magenta. At worst I waste some paper-). I
 > just wanted to get a clear idea of the direction I should be heading.
 >
 > Thanks
 > Nick

Nick,

I know what you mean. Using some old Kodak Vericolor II and III
negatives, I really have to play with filtration on today's papers (Supra
III). The OLD Ektacolor papers (37 and 74) worked much better with
Vericolor and almost no crossover problems. I assume that the papers of the
day were matched to the films of the day. Same holds true with modern
materials.

Be careful dialing in more filtration. You'll end up with a black haired
oxygen starved (blue) person. Or from Mars...

Glad to see you're trying color printing. Was it as hard as you thought?
If you get serious, I have an old Beseler PM-2L that we can talk about...

Jim



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Jim Phelps <Jim.Phelps.DeleteThis@mi.com> wrote:
 >
 > Be careful dialing in more filtration. You'll end up with a black haired
 > oxygen starved (blue) person. Or from Mars...

Could be interesting-))

 >
 > Glad to see you're trying color printing. Was it as hard as you thought?
 > If you get serious, I have an old Beseler PM-2L that we can talk about...


Easier. I'm using a picnic cooler and aquarium heater for temp control.
Other then the warm up time it's great. I'm going to either get the probe on
my analyser fixed or get it replaced.

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 >
 > Easier. I'm using a picnic cooler and aquarium heater for temp control.
 > Other then the warm up time it's great. I'm going to either get the probe
on
 > my analyser fixed or get it replaced.
 >
 > Nick

Cool, One more myth bites the dust. Color printing is not hard, expensive
and frustrating, well, maybe a bit frustrating...

Now if we can only get M.S. and the Zone System followers to understand
they're talking right past one another, saying the same things, but in
different ways, then the world would truly be a bit better...



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Jim Phelps <Jim.Phelps.RemoveThis@mi.com> wrote:

 >
 > Cool, One more myth bites the dust. Color printing is not hard, expensive
 > and frustrating, well, maybe a bit frustrating...

The only thing I bought that might be considered expensive was the color
enlarger. Even that was a good deal. The tubes are being almost given away
today. My tempering bath set me back about $50. Half of that for the picnic
cooler. I've got an idea to add a digital thermometer to it with the display
on the outside. Over all it shouldn't be much worse then the expensive Jobo
tempering box. But mine is big enough for me to use it for rolling the
tubes in. Won't handle anything bigger then 11x14 but that's because of the
length of the cooler.


 >
 > Now if we can only get M.S. and the Zone System followers to understand
 > they're talking right past one another, saying the same things, but in
 > different ways, then the world would truly be a bit better...


I haven't seen much of that for the last few months. Most of it is kill
filed. All I see is the odd reply.

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  > >
  > > Easier. I'm using a picnic cooler and aquarium heater for temp control.
  > > Other then the warm up time it's great. I'm going to either get the probe
 > on
  > > my analyser fixed or get it replaced.
  > >
  > > Nick
 >
 > Cool, One more myth bites the dust. Color printing is not hard, expensive
 > and frustrating, well, maybe a bit frustrating...
 >
 > Now if we can only get M.S. and the Zone System followers to understand
 > they're talking right past one another, saying the same things, but in
 > different ways, then the world would truly be a bit better...

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 >
 > Easier. I'm using a picnic cooler and aquarium heater for temp control.
 > Other then the warm up time it's great. I'm going to either get the probe on
 > my analyser fixed or get it replaced.
 >
 > Nick

Nick,

What chemicals are you using? I'll probably start with Tetenal Mono (room temp), but they are expensive ($30 for
processing 100 8x10 prints). The picnic cooler approach sounds like an economical way to use cheaper chemicals...

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Mike <invalid_email DeleteThis @null.com> wrote:

 >
 > What chemicals are you using? I'll probably start with Tetenal Mono (room temp), but they are expensive ($30 for
 > processing 100 8x10 prints). The picnic cooler approach sounds like an economical way to use cheaper chemicals...


I'm using the Fotochem kits. The info sheet claims 200 8x10s per 1 US
gallon but there is always some waste when you pour out of the drum. So I
don't know how accurate that number is. You also need to worry about the
chemicals going bad. The concentrates supposedly will keep quite awhile but
the working solutions have limited lives. The Fotochem kits use slightly
higher temps and longer times then some of the other kits. I don't know why.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.colba.net/~fotochem/" target="_blank">http://www.colba.net/~fotochem/</a>

With some graduates and some kids medicine droppers I made up small
amounts of working solution. Less of the developer that keeps the least more
of the bleach that supposedly keeps quite a while. Nice thing about the
drums is they use so little chemicals. I'm also using a home made stop.

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