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Lloyd Erlick

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:49 am
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On 4 Apr 2005 18:28:03 -0700, "narke" <steven.TakeThisOut@lczmsoft.com> wrote:

 >Keith Wrote,
 >
  >> In a previous thread, you mentioned that you wanted to make D-76 from
 >scratch and that one litre of stock solution might be too much for you
 >because you only shoot around two rolls of film per month, if so , why
 >are
 >you using a large tank?
 >
 >Thanks for you remember my previous posts. I'v bought a AP tank which
 >is 650cc for 2 reel. 650cc is great than 16 oz (the upper bound of
 >small tank according to Kodak's publish) and less than 1/2 gallon ( the
 >lower bound of large tank). Since the AP tank is not cheap, so I can
 >not switch to a real small tank, that's my pain. And, because I am a
 >newbie, so I do not want to bother myself to make a D-76D Replenisher.
 > Can you tell me 650cc is a small or large tank? Throw off 650cc
 >solution is a little waste to me because I got only a liter stock
 >bottle, it can only provides 3x650cc with respect to 1:1.
 >
 >-
 >narke


apr1305 from Lloyd Erlick,

The tank you have is not far from an ideal size for the type of work
you are doing. Actually, 'ideal' would be hard to define in this case.
You tank gives you the choice of developing one or two rolls at a
time, which is a good arrangement. If you care to develop only one
roll, it would be best to put an empty reel on top of the loaded reel,
so when you invert the tank to agitate the bottom reel stays on the
bottom. If you only develop one roll of film, you only need the amount
of developer required to cover the reel, or roughly 300 - 350 ml. (A
ml is a milliliter, equivalent to a cc, or cubic centimeter.) I often
develop ten rolls at a time in a tall tank, and I use three liters of
solution, or 300 ml per roll. I find this very convenient, and your
tank is basically the same idea.

Replenisher is an academic interest for most of us. If you use huge
amounts of film, and must frequently develop them at short notice,
then it is good to have a line of tanks ready at all times. Developer
stored and used this way will need frequent replenishment. I have
never used replenisher. Diluted developer, used one-shot, is much more
economical for my relatively low volume of work, and it is also much
easier to achieve consistent results than attempting to use a
replenisher system at such a low volume of work.

If you ever decide to get more deeply into using film, and developing
it yourself, it is much cheaper to make your own developer (such as
D-23, which has fewer ingredients than D76) from raw chemicals. The
other side of this idea, though, is that you must by quantities of
each chemical and store them. So there would be an initial investment
that pays off slowly in the form of cheaper development over a long
time. Developing one's own film can be extremely economical.

Also, if you ever become a heavier user of film and need to develop
many rolls, you could explore processing them in open tanks, working
entirely in the dark. I do this routinely, and find it very
convenient, and cheap!

regards,
le
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:59 am
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On 5 Apr 2005 18:50:22 -0700, "narke" <steven.DeleteThis@lczmsoft.com> wrote:

  >> I don't like replenished systems but they work OK if you process
 >approximately 50-100 rolls of film per month (more is better). Less
 >than
 >that you don't get the full benefit of economy nor to you have the
 >throughput to ensure consistent results.
 >
 >I agree with above. I will not reuse developer. Another question, do
 >you reuse fixer? I am going to use F-5, but still not decide whether
 >or not shall I reuse it. Do you and other guys have any suggestion?


apr1305 from Lloyd Erlick,

How will you be getting your F5 fixer? This is an old Kodak formula
for fixer, mixed from raw chemicals. F5 is pretty much an academic
curiosity now, having been supplanted long ago by Kodak F6. The
largest difference is the smell, which is strong and nose-biting with
F5 and nearly non-existent with F6. Some people say Kodak packaged
powder fixer is F5, but I have mixed F5 and used the packaged stuff,
and I can tell you F5 bites your nose much worse. If you are actually
mixing your own, F6 is a better bet.

However, if you are interested in mixing your own, you should explore
the fixer Ansel Adams called 'plain fixer'. He published his formula
in his book, 'The Print' (it is fine for both prints and film) and it
is extremely simple and cheap. It also keeps just as well as F5, F6,
or packaged fixers.

I have articles on these subjects on my website, under the 'technical'
heading in the table of contents.

regards,
--le
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:07 am
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:37:27 -0000, rodsmith RemoveThis @nessus.rodsbooks.com (Rod
Smith) wrote:

.... (Actually, I use 350ml because the
 >math and graduate markings are easier for dilutions.)
....
 >Mine has a cap, and I do inversion agitation. The tank leaks a bit, but
 >not enough for me to consider it a problem. Leak-phobes might prefer using
 >the rod for agitation, and move the tank around on the countertop as well.


apr1305 from Lloyd Erlick,

350 ml is probably a good idea just to be sure not to use too little.
Convenience counts for a lot too, in terms of reducing the chances of
error, and to promote consistency.

Any tank I've ever used leaked a bit. If possible, work in, or over, a
sink. If it has to be a counter top instead, spread out old newspaper
that can be rolled up and discarded.

regards,
--le
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:26 am
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On 5 Apr 2005 18:46:26 -0700, "narke" <steven.TakeThisOut@lczmsoft.com> wrote:

....
 >I also get a top cap (red), so it supports agiatation as well as
 >swiring. It is the leak problem which make me double if or not I
 >really need to agitate by inversion for I am afraid the leak solution
 >will harm my hand.


apr1305 from Lloyd Erlick,

Developer is unlikely to hurt your skin. However, some people are
sensitive and get dermatitis, so it is advisable to avoid skin
exposure. Developer is not an aggressive attacker, though, so a pair
of ordinary kitchen gloves (such as you might use to wash dishes) will
be good protection. If gloves are an unacceptable expense, an ordinary
plastic bag slipped over the hand will do.

If developer (or any darkroom solution) gets on your skin, there is no
need to jump. Just rinse it off in plain tap water. Don't delay, and
don't let it dry, but don't be concerned, either. I've had developer
in my mouth (don't ask ...) without harm. It tastes horrid and I don't
recommend it. Obviously darkroom chemicals must be kept locked away
from children, but so should kitchen and bathroom cleaning materials,
gardening materials, automotive stuff...

There a few specialized darkroom materials that are potentially
harmful, but an ordinary darkroom does not need to have them on hand.
The worst thing in my darkroom is selenium toner. Even this is far
from an aggressive attacker, and the selenium component is also found
in dandruff shampoos. Actually, as far as selenium toner goes, I find
the smell (of ammonia) the worst part. But my old cat's box smelled of
ammonia too, and much worse, so I might be a poor housekeeper but it
never poisoned me.

regards,
--le
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:36 am
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On 5 Apr 2005 19:00:30 -0700, "narke" <steven.RemoveThis@lczmsoft.com> wrote:

 >Keith Tapscott wrote,
 >
  >> Which type of enlarger do you use, diffuse light or condenser?
 >
 >I want to practice developing for at least 10 rolls of film before plan
 >to buy a enlarger. I heard condenser enlarger is more suitable than
 >diffuse for 35mm negs, is it true?
 >
 >-
 >narke


apr1305 from Lloyd Erlick,

It's a matter of personal preference. I've used both, and I like a
diffusion enlarger. But I make portraits, so you can see my
preferences. Diffusion is more appropriate for my uses.

Before you invest money in an enlarger, try out different types,
perhaps in rental darkrooms or at other photographers' places. Keep in
mind that rental darkrooms are not likely to be as convenient (or
pleasant) for your own purposes as your own darkroom, so don't judge
the merits of darkroom work by what you see in other peoples' places.

Also, since so many people are switching to digital methods, the price
of second-hand darkroom equipment is falling. I recently received a
free enlarger, with three lenses, so you should keep your eyes open
for such a deal.

regards,
--le
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