Photoshop Elements

"Bruce" <brucefalcon.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software,
> I
> eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the
> trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that
> it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that
> version
> 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers
> will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software.
>

And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW).
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Bruce wrote:
> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable
> software, I eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I
> downloaded the trial version first to make sure it would read NEF
> files only to find that it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit
> research & I found that version 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but
> Adobe don't sell it. How many customers will that lose them . I ended
> up buying the Nikon Capture software.
>
>
> Best Wishes
> Bruce

Presumably, Adobe have done their sums and made a business decision that
any extra income from Windows 2000 customers would not cover the extra
support and testing effort required for the older OS.

David
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Bruce wrote:
>
> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, I
> eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the
> trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that
> it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that version
> 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers
> will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software.
>
> Best Wishes
> Bruce



You might be able to find an older version of PhotoShop LE on ebay. It
should work with all Windoze systems as well as Mac classic (through 9.2).

JT
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In article <4398b581$0$81235$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
This old Bob <kilbyfan RemoveThis @spamnotmeAOL.com> wrote:
>
>"Bruce" <brucefalcon RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software,
>> I
>> eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the
>> trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that
>> it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that
>> version
>> 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers
>> will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software.
>>
>
>And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW).

That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe.
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"John Francis" <johnf.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4398b581$0$81235$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> This old Bob <kilbyfan.DeleteThis@spamnotmeAOL.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Bruce" <brucefalcon.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:Oj_lf.2641$Ms6.1548@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable
software,
> >> I
> >> eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the
> >> trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find
that
> >> it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that
> >> version
> >> 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many
customers
> >> will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software.
> >>
> >
> >And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW).
>
> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe.
>
>

That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.

Greg
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G.T. wrote:

>> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
>> Adobe.

> That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.

I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.

Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.
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"Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com> wrote in message
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> G.T. wrote:
>
> >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
> >> Adobe.
>
> > That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.
>
> I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
> Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.

I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000.
These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins.

>
> Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.

You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or
3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0.

John Francis said:

"That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe."

in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the
latest ACR (RAW)."

There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR 2.4
which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0.

The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of Elements
4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2.

Greg
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"G.T." <getnews1 DeleteThis @dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com> wrote in message
> news:QMKdnaXhgozgdgXeRVn-sw@giganews.com...
> > G.T. wrote:
> >
> > >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
> > >> Adobe.
> >
> > > That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.
> >
> > I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
> > Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.
>
> I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000.
> These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins.
>

Make that "I haven't said anything".

> >
> > Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.
>
> You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or
> 3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0.
>
> John Francis said:
>
> "That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe."
>
> in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the
> latest ACR (RAW)."
>
> There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR
2.4
> which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0.
>
> The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of
Elements
> 4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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In article <11phron7ttut0dd.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
G.T. <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>"Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com> wrote in message
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>> G.T. wrote:
>>
>> >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
>> >> Adobe.
>>
>> > That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.
>>
>> I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
>> Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.
>
>I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000.
>These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins.
>
>>
>> Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.
>
>You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or
>3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0.

Perhaps you should check your facts before rushing to 'correct' people.
Elements 3.0 has no problem using Camera Raw 3.x - I've run it with 3.1
and 3.2, and I know of people using the 3.3 beta without problems

While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there
are no such restriction with Elements 3.0

>John Francis said:
>
>"That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe."
>
>in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the
>latest ACR (RAW)."
>
>There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR 2.4

True

>which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0.

False

>The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of Elements
>4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2.
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>
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John Francis wrote:
> In article <11phron7ttut0dd.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> G.T. <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>>"Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com> wrote in message
>>news:QMKdnaXhgozgdgXeRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>
>>>G.T. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
>>>>>Adobe.
>>>
>>>>That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.
>>>
>>>I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
>>>Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.
>>
>>I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000.
>>These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins.
>>
>>
>>>Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.
>>
>>You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or
>>3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0.
>
>
> Perhaps you should check your facts before rushing to 'correct' people.
> Elements 3.0 has no problem using Camera Raw 3.x - I've run it with 3.1
> and 3.2, and I know of people using the 3.3 beta without problems
>
> While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there
> are no such restriction with Elements 3.0
>

Me culpa. I'll have to revisit Elements 3.0, I've been using CS for
awhile now and could have sworn that ACR 3.2 didn't work with 3.0 so
there was no reason for me to use Elements 3.0 any more.

>
>>John Francis said:
>>
>>"That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe."
>>
>>in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the
>>latest ACR (RAW)."
>>
>>There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR 2.4
>
>
> True
>
>
>>which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0.
>
>
> False
>

Sorry about the misinformation. Now that I think about it I probably
confused myself between Elements 2.0 which I have on my PC laptop, and
Elements 3.0 and CS that I have on my Mac desktop.

Greg

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"John Francis" <johnf DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <11phron7ttut0dd DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> G.T. <getnews1 DeleteThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com> wrote in message
>>news:QMKdnaXhgozgdgXeRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>> G.T. wrote:
>>>
>>> >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from
>>> >> Adobe.
>>>
>>> > That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point.
>>>
>>> I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but
>>> Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said.
>>
>>I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000.
>>These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins.
>>
>>>
>>> Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that.
>>
>>You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or
>>3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0.
>
> Perhaps you should check your facts before rushing to 'correct' people.
> Elements 3.0 has no problem using Camera Raw 3.x - I've run it with 3.1
> and 3.2, and I know of people using the 3.3 beta without problems
>
> While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there
> are no such restriction with Elements 3.0
>
>>John Francis said:
>>
>>"That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe."
>>
>>in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the
>>latest ACR (RAW)."
>>
>>There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR
>>2.4
>
> True
>
>>which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0.
>
> False
>
>>The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of
>>Elements
>>4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2.
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

John:
I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files (outside
of PS) then the DNG files can be opened with PS CS. This allows the use of
3.1 (and presumably 3.2, 3.3, Etc.) without needing PSCS2.
For example 3.1 supports EXIF "user comments", where 2.4 didn't.
What am I missing here (other than not upgrading from PSCS to PSCS2)??
Bob
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Robert Brace wrote:
>
>>
>>
>
> John:
> I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files (outside
> of PS) then the DNG files can be opened with PS CS. This allows the use of
> 3.1 (and presumably 3.2, 3.3, Etc.) without needing PSCS2.
> For example 3.1 supports EXIF "user comments", where 2.4 didn't.
> What am I missing here (other than not upgrading from PSCS to PSCS2)??
> Bob
>

Don't you mean you're converting NEF files to DNG using the DNG
converter and then opening them with the ACR 2.4 plugin for PS CS? If
not, then I'm a little confused (as usual). IIRC ACR is not a
standalone program but the DNG converter is. And the ACR 3.2 plugin has
more control than the 2.4 series plugin.

I'm a little hesitant to post this as I have neither my Mac or PC booted
to double-check and clearly that has led me to posting misinformation
before.

Greg

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"G.T." <getnews1.TakeThisOut@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> Robert Brace wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> John:
>> I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files
>> (outside of PS) then the DNG files can be opened with PS CS. This allows
>> the use of 3.1 (and presumably 3.2, 3.3, Etc.) without needing PSCS2.
>> For example 3.1 supports EXIF "user comments", where 2.4 didn't.
>> What am I missing here (other than not upgrading from PSCS to
>> PSCS2)??
>> Bob
>>
>
> Don't you mean you're converting NEF files to DNG using the DNG converter
> and then opening them with the ACR 2.4 plugin for PS CS? If not, then I'm
> a little confused (as usual). IIRC ACR is not a standalone program but
> the DNG converter is. And the ACR 3.2 plugin has more control than the
> 2.4 series plugin.
>
> I'm a little hesitant to post this as I have neither my Mac or PC booted
> to double-check and clearly that has led me to posting misinformation
> before.
>
> Greg
>
> --
> "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late
> The battles we fought were long and hard
> Just not to be consumed by rock and roll" - The Mekons

Greg:
That's correct the 3.1 converter is a standalone program released with
ACR 3.1 and it has better "support" of the EXIF info in the NEF files than
did either ACR 2.4 or the 2.4 converter.
Once the NEF files are changed to DNG files, those files can be opened
in PS CS (with the 2.4 ACR plug-in installed of course) and the information
which was unavailable if the NEF files were opened directly in PS CS with
ACR 2.4 now becomes visible because of the conversion to DNG by the 3.1
converter.
I guess you are correct when you say the ACR 2.4 plug-in is opening
them. I just never thought of it that way. I look upon it more of a way to
keep up with the necessity of changing to accommodate new camera NEF files
without having to upgrade to PS CS2. Simply download the updated DNG
converter to handle the new camera NEF files and you are in business.
Are you aware of anything I am missing here??
Bob
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