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Since: Jun 25, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:38 am
Post subject: Pentax 6x7 - why?
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| Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
film/digital backs?
Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do they
just think that the 645 format is the future?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:38 am
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"xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man" <lstev.RemoveThis@lstev.com> wrote in message
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> Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> film/digital backs?
> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do
they
> just think that the 645 format is the future?
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Most existing film cameras on the market today are development dead-ends.
But who cares if it meets your needs.
The future is digital and a 645 format is probably sufficient for most
digital requirements in the studio. If professionals want something larger,
I would expect them to move to a digital format that can be used on a camera
with movements. I am not sure if a 6x7 digital format will ever make it in
the professional marketplace, and it is obviously way overkill for the
consumer market.
The Pentax 6x7 was designed to function like a 35mm SLR, only much larger.
That's why there are no detachable film backs. This saves on size, weight
and cost. It also enables the Pentax 6x7 to have legendary film flatness at
the film plane, much better than any camera with a detachable back.
Although the Pentax 6x7 looks and acts like 35mm SLR (focal plane shutter
and instant return mirror), its size and weight preclude the use of a high
speed motor drive capability. Such a feature would also be very expensive,
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:44 am
Post subject: Re: Pentax 6x7 - why? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <OjcKa.13538$Fy6.6185@sccrnsc03>, xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man
<lstev.RemoveThis@lstev.com> wrote:
> Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> film/digital backs?
It does what it does very well. It's an eye-level 6x7 with a wide
variety of lenses. It comes at a reasonable price and is rugged. If
someone attackes you in the field, you could hit them with your 6x7 and
they would go out cold.
If a company wanted to make a digital back, it wouldn't be much of a
problem. Take the film back off and put a digital back on. In a way,
this is what was done with the variety of 35mm cameras which have been
made digital. The rest of the camera wouldn't have the whizbang of
newer digital cameras, though.
> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do they
> just think that the 645 format is the future?
They haven't done much with the 645 eiter, except make it AF.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it... 
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:47 am
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I doubt that. The 67 II was introduced fairly recently. These cameras.
the 67 and the 67 II are rock-solid workhorses. (can you tell I own one?)
xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man wrote:
> Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> film/digital backs?
> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do they
> just think that the 645 format is the future?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:44 pm
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most cameras are kept in production as long as the tooling is good;
the big decision is whether to replace the tooling or bring out a new
model for similar expense
the pentax 67 kit was the least expensive MF kit of those priced out in a
past Pop Photo comparison; in fact, it was less than similar pro optics
kits by Nikon (F5) and Canon EOS series
grins bobm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:09 pm
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my understanding is that there is a removable rear cover, making it
possible to mount the polaroid "back" on a dedicated pentax 6x7cm body
(not a fast swapout, in other words, but do-able).
Presumably, a digital back could be setup to swap out on a dedicated P67
body too.
There are also testing of digital inserts for various bodies (Mamiya ..).
The bigger issue, IMHO, is whether or not a dedicated body to the digital
sensor will make more sense, be lots lighter and cheaper and more feature
rich due to full control over dedicated lenses and bodies, vs. older kits.
Despite what many digeratti claim, a larger 6x7cm sensor, even if just
16MP, would probably be cleaner and have less noise than a 16MP sensor in
35mm sized formats...
my $.02
bobm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm
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Because not everyone needs or wants a motor drive or interchangeable film
backs and eliminating them keeps the cost down. What Pentax will do about
digital backs, if anything, remains to be seen.
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"xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man" <lstev.RemoveThis@lstev.com> wrote in message
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> Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> film/digital backs?
> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do
they
> just think that the 645 format is the future?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:42 pm
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"xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man" <lstev.RemoveThis@lstev.com> skrev i melding
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> Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> film/digital backs?
> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do
they
> just think that the 645 format is the future?
In press conference early this year Pentax boss stated that they are working
on a more compact Pentax 6X7. No other data has leaked out.
According to news recently printed in Japan Pentax is working on a medium
format DSLR with the help from Kodak.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Pentax 6x7 - why? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:56 pm
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"Mark A" <ma.TakeThisOut@switchboard.net> wrote in message news:<k7fKa.3$EW2.6057@news.uswest.net>...
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> That's why there are no detachable film backs. This saves on size, weight
> and cost. It also enables the Pentax 6x7 to have legendary film flatness at
> the film plane, much better than any camera with a detachable back.
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Why would this be? I don't think Hasselblads (or any other
high-quality MF SLRs) have any problem with film flatness at the film
plane.
-Karl
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:49 pm
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Puscle <pustones.TakeThisOut@notscape.not> wrote in message news:<3EF96F93.1030108.TakeThisOut@notscape.not>...
> I doubt that. The 67 II was introduced fairly recently. These cameras.
> the 67 and the 67 II are rock-solid workhorses. (can you tell I own one?)
The Pentax 67 is a serious, industrial-strength,
bulletproof workhorse camera. It isn't fancy, nor
is it fashionable. It does exactly what it's
supposed to do, and it does it well.
Think of it as photography's answer to the Humvee... 
Thwup...ka-CHUNK!
(Another picture taken by a satisfied Pentax 67 owner)
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89lg pied a terre..."
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:41 am
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> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history,
Reason I ask is because:
I think the quality and price of the Pentax 67 are attractive, but the
Mamiya 645s have digital capabilities by virtue of their removable film
backs.
Eventually there is going to be a 6x7 sensor - you know there will be - and
when that ahppens I would never be tempted to get a 4x5.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Pentax 6x7 - why? |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:41 am
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xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man wrote:
> Eventually there is going to be a 6x7 sensor
care to guess the price of a 60x70mm one-pass digital sensor?
... even 5 or ten years from now? Better have one powerful
computer system, too; and might as well budget in a top-notch
scanner & super-duper printer, too.
if one must have digital, might as well go w/ the 35mm
and smaller formats available today and *do it* - but be
ready to be using inferior equipment w/in three years time
or selling it off for a big loss for funds for the next
incremental step.
Brother Bill
( member of the unofficial Pentax 6x7 Brotherhood )
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:43 am
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The digital back question is my underlying concern. I could live without
motor drives, etc., but forward-compatibility to digital is necessary for
the future viability of any platform at this point IMHO.
"Brian Ellis" <bellis60 RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Because not everyone needs or wants a motor drive or interchangeable film
> backs and eliminating them keeps the cost down. What Pentax will do about
> digital backs, if anything, remains to be seen.
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> "xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man" <lstev RemoveThis @lstev.com> wrote in message
> news:OjcKa.13538$Fy6.6185@sccrnsc03...
> > Is this camera a development dead-end for Pentax?
> > Does anyone know why it has no motor drive capability, no detachable
> > film/digital backs?
> > Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history, or do
> they
> > just think that the 645 format is the future?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:43 am
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"xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man" <lstev.TakeThisOut@lstev.com> wrote in message
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> The digital back question is my underlying concern. I could live without
> motor drives, etc., but forward-compatibility to digital is necessary for
> the future viability of any platform at this point IMHO.
That being the case, and speaking as a full Pentax 67 system owner/user, I
canot see wh you would consider investing in the Pentax 67 system with
absolutely no guarantee that there will ever be a digital option. The
layout of the body does not encourage a practical adaption to digital, as
compared to the Pentax 645 [potentially] or the Mamiya 645 or Contax 645
[presently]. If Pentax ever introduces a digital 6x7 format, it is likely
to be a full redesign of the body, at best mounting the presnt line of
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:02 am
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:41:29 GMT, "xxxxxxxxxxxxx-man"
<lstev.DeleteThis@lstev.com> wrote:
>> Has Pentax consigned in to the ash-heap of photographic history,
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> Reason I ask is because:
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>I think the quality and price of the Pentax 67 are attractive, but the
>Mamiya 645s have digital capabilities by virtue of their removable film
>backs.
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>Eventually there is going to be a 6x7 sensor - you know there will be - and
>when that ahppens I would never be tempted to get a 4x5.
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6x7 CCD sensor? It'll be a while, I'm afraid.
Apart from scanning backs, the largest CCD sensors nowadays
are around 40 mm square and can be found in backs selling
for around $15K.
In any case, when it comes, it'll be far more expensive than
the camera body that it attaches to.
rafe b.
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