Nikon lenses?

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:50:52 GMT, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Michael
Tucker <mrtucker.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >What does the VR mean and what does it get me?

As all ready mentioned it is Nikon's image stabilization (vibration
reduction) system. It allows you to take slower shutter speed (typically
quoted as ~2 stops worth) photos without a tripod by cancelling out the
motion of the lens.
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"Michael Tucker" <mrtucker DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > What does the VR mean and what does it get me?

The only thing I would add is that Nikon apparently has different versions
of VR. They say (for reasons that have never been clearly explained to me)
that you should turn VR off when the camera is on a tripod, but some of the
newer lenses do not have this requirement (also for reasons that Nikon does
not bother to explain).

I find it useful especially when a tripod is impossible or worthless, such
as shooting from inside an airplane. VR will not work with most
teleconverters; Nikon's new 1.7x teleconverter is supposed to work with VR,
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C J Campbell wrote:
 >
 > VR will not work with most teleconverters;
 > Nikon's new 1.7x teleconverter is supposed to
 > work with VR, though.


The VR 24-120 & 80-400 don't work with a teleconverter because the glass
is too slow as I understand. The AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED is
supposed to work well with the 2x TC-20E II teleconverter, I think.

Can you tell me what the new 1.7x model is, I'm curious.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"paul" <paul.TakeThisOut@not.net> wrote in message
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 > C J Campbell wrote:
  > >
  > > VR will not work with most teleconverters;
  > > Nikon's new 1.7x teleconverter is supposed to
  > > work with VR, though.
 >
 >
 > The VR 24-120 & 80-400 don't work with a teleconverter because the glass
 > is too slow as I understand. The AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED is
 > supposed to work well with the 2x TC-20E II teleconverter, I think.
 >
 > Can you tell me what the new 1.7x model is, I'm curious.

The TC 17E II
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151" target="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151</a>

Nikon's site says that this teleconverter is supposed to support VR. Nikon
does not say that about the other teleconverters.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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C J Campbell wrote:

 > paul wrote:
  >>
  >>The VR 24-120 & 80-400 don't work with a teleconverter because the glass
  >>is too slow as I understand. The AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED is
  >>supposed to work well with the 2x TC-20E II teleconverter, I think.
  >>
  >>Can you tell me what the new 1.7x model is, I'm curious.
 >
 >
 > The TC 17E II
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151</font" target="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151</font</a>>
 >
 > Nikon's site says that this teleconverter is supposed to support VR. Nikon
 > does not say that about the other teleconverters.


Hmm looks the one I mentioned does kill VR, thanks for pointing that
out. This one is an inch shorter and $50 more at $400. It reduces f-stop
by 1.5 versus 2 stops. It also will not work on the VR 24-120 or the VR
80-400 so the only VR that benefits is the $1,500 AF-S VR 70-200mm
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Understand that the lenses you mention use different focusing methods.
While they are VR lenses, the 24-120 is an "S" type lens, using the in-lens
focusing motor and requiring the teleconverter to have the required
electronic contacts to communicate with the camera body.
The 80-400 is also a VR lens but has no in-lens focusing motor (it is not an
"S" type lens) but uses the mechanical connection to the body. The AF
bodies all carry an in-body focusing motor to drive all the normal AF
lenses. No Nikon teleconverter has the required drive shaft to transmit the
rotational motion of the in-body focusing motor to the lens. Some off-brand
teleconverters do however.
All the "S" type teleconverters (TC 14E, TC 20E and their "II" derivatives
and the TC 17EII) have the required electronic connections to enable AF and
VR. The change in light transmission after adding them to a lens might
impede AV or VR operation, but that is another issue.
Bob

"paul" <paul.TakeThisOut@not.net> wrote in message
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 >C J Campbell wrote:
 >
  >> paul wrote:
   >>>
   >>>The VR 24-120 & 80-400 don't work with a teleconverter because the glass
   >>>is too slow as I understand. The AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED is
   >>>supposed to work well with the 2x TC-20E II teleconverter, I think.
   >>>
   >>>Can you tell me what the new 1.7x model is, I'm curious.
  >>
  >>
  >> The TC 17E II
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151</font" target="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2151</font</a>>
  >>
  >> Nikon's site says that this teleconverter is supposed to support VR.
  >> Nikon
  >> does not say that about the other teleconverters.
 >
 >
 > Hmm looks the one I mentioned does kill VR, thanks for pointing that out.
 > This one is an inch shorter and $50 more at $400. It reduces f-stop by 1.5
 > versus 2 stops. It also will not work on the VR 24-120 or the VR 80-400 so
 > the only VR that benefits is the $1,500 AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:49:32 -0800, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems paul
<paul DeleteThis @not.net> wrote:

 >The VR 24-120 & 80-400 don't work with a teleconverter because the glass
 >is too slow as I understand.

If the combined maximum aperture is smaller than f/5.6, then use lose AF
capability with the D70. There are other constraints. The kit lens for
example is not even physically compatible.

 >The AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED is
 >supposed to work well with the 2x TC-20E II teleconverter, I think.

Works OK. It does slow the focus down on my D70. I just got back from using
this combo to photograph an F-22 being escorted by some F-15s flying into
LAFB in Hampton, VA. Focusing was considerable slower than just with the
lens itself, and with a bit of hunting.

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In article <L8ydnSqeDKWbO0PcRVn-3w.DeleteThis@wavecable.com>,
  "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes:
 >
 > The only thing I would add is that Nikon apparently has different versions
 > of VR.
 > [snip]
 >

What bodies to VR lenses work on? Can I hang a VR lens off my
FM2? How about an F90X?

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Nikon has, to my knowledge, only one "version" of VR.
Uses differ in some Nikkors in that some work with tripods better than
others etc., but VR is VR.
VR is usable on all modern pro electronic models after the F4 (on which it
doesn't work). Yes, you can mount the lens on your FM2 but obviously the VR
and AF will be inoperative. It will also mount on the F90X and the AF will
work but I'm not sure on the VR operation. Check Nikon's website for that
info.
Bob


"Gardner" <gbuchana DeleteThis @unixcomputer.net> wrote in message
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 > In article <L8ydnSqeDKWbO0PcRVn-3w DeleteThis @wavecable.com>,
 > "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:
  >>
  >> The only thing I would add is that Nikon apparently has different
  >> versions
  >> of VR.
  >> [snip]
  >>
 >
 > What bodies to VR lenses work on? Can I hang a VR lens off my
 > FM2? How about an F90X?
 >
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VF won't work on the F/N90x/s.
And some regard the differently behaving VR to be different versions.

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 > Nikon has, to my knowledge, only one "version" of VR.
 > Uses differ in some Nikkors in that some work with tripods better than
 > others etc., but VR is VR.
 > VR is usable on all modern pro electronic models after the F4 (on which it
 > doesn't work). Yes, you can mount the lens on your FM2 but obviously the
 > VR and AF will be inoperative. It will also mount on the F90X and the AF
 > will work but I'm not sure on the VR operation. Check Nikon's website for
 > that info.
 > Bob
 >
 >
 > "Gardner" <gbuchana RemoveThis @unixcomputer.net> wrote in message
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  >> In article <L8ydnSqeDKWbO0PcRVn-3w RemoveThis @wavecable.com>,
  >> "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes:
   >>>
   >>> The only thing I would add is that Nikon apparently has different
   >>> versions
   >>> of VR.
   >>> [snip]
   >>>
  >>
  >> What bodies to VR lenses work on? Can I hang a VR lens off my
  >> FM2? How about an F90X?
  >>
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