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Tony Polson

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:31 am
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Tony Polson <tp.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>There's a whole market for a range of tilt-shift lenses that is
>presently supplied only by Canon, because of the selection of focal
>lengths that only Canon offers in its TX-E range.
>
>It is no coincidence that Nikon's new PC-E range offers the same focal
>lengths as Canon's TX-E. Together with the introduction of the D3
>DSLR, it means that the TS-E users who had no alternative to buying
>Canon gear can now choose Nikon.
>
>The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
>sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.


(sorry, all Canon references should be to TS-E)

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:44 pm
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:16:20 -0800, nospam <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:

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> perhaps the tilt/shift lenses sell more than you think.

And even if they don't sell in huge amounts, they are the type of lenses
that can sell camera systems. If I was seriously in the need of a tilt
shift lens Nikon all of a sudden became a very attractive brand. So
I'll buy a Nikon D3 instead of a Canon and the tilt lens. Now that I
have my D3 I'll probably want a few other lenses for it as well. So
even if Nikon didn't make any money off of selling me a tilt/shift lens,
they certainly made money off of me buying a D3 and a bunch of other
lenses for it.

Dag

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TH O

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:47 pm
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:42 pm
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TH O wrote:
> In article <OsCdnXeTedKXvwLanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d RemoveThis @giganews.com>,
> "David J. Littleboy" <davidjl RemoveThis @gol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tony Polson" <tp RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
>>> sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.
>> Yep, agreed there.
>
> I wish they would get to it then. I'm tired of reading about posts in
> forums explaining what lenses work with the D40 and D40x. These
> limitations are making Canon's FD>EOS mount change into a good decision
> after all.

Mostly it's just pointless usenet noise, in the real world very few
entry level users have any desire for prime lenses, if they really want,
there's Sigma, if that's not good enough there's some exquisite f/2.8
wide zooms available but really, anyone headed that direction should get
at least a D80 or go Pentax, Sony or Canon. It's a small number, the
point of the D40 is to be small and inexpensive for the mass market.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:33 pm
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Paul Furman

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:48 am
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TH O wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>> TH O wrote:
>>> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>>>> Tony Polson wrote:
>>>>> The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
>>>>> sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.
>>>> Yep, agreed there.
>>> I wish they would get to it then. I'm tired of reading about posts in
>>> forums explaining what lenses work with the D40 and D40x. These
>>> limitations are making Canon's FD>EOS mount change into a good decision
>>> after all.
>> Mostly it's just pointless usenet noise, in the real world very few
>> entry level users have any desire for prime lenses, if they really want,
>> there's Sigma, if that's not good enough there's some exquisite f/2.8
>> wide zooms available but really, anyone headed that direction should get
>> at least a D80 or go Pentax, Sony or Canon. It's a small number, the
>> point of the D40 is to be small and inexpensive for the mass market.
>
> I'd look at it another way - there may be more D40s/D40xs/D60 sold each
> year than other Nikon bodies combined. Their users aren't receiving the
> full Nikon experience. Some of them will progress to becoming more
> advanced and then the confusion begins because Nikon can't get their act
> together and create a full af-s lineup. Every one of us began as a
> beginner at some point before advancing.

The only AF-S lenses missing are super fast primes. Not too many people
are going to be looking for $1,500 primes for their $40 camera.

consumer:
------------
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED
AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - NEW!
AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR - NEW!
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED
AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED
AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED

pro:
------------
AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED
AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mmf/2.8G ED - NEW!
AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED
AF-S VR Micro-NIKKOR 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED
AF-S VR NIKKOR 200mm f/2G IF-ED
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED
AF-S NIKKOR 300mm f/4D IF-ED
AF-S VR NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED
AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8D IF-ED II
AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR
AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR - NEW!
AF-S NIKKOR 600mm f/4D IF-ED II
AF-S NIKKOR 600mmf/4G ED VR - NEW!
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:03 am
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In article <q12pj.10061$EZ3.4121@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, Paul Furman
<paul- RemoveThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:

> The only AF-S lenses missing are super fast primes. Not too many people
> are going to be looking for $1,500 primes for their $40 camera.

adding to your list,

nikon 80-200 afs, discontinued

a slew of sigma lenses (incomplete list)
<http://www.sigmaphoto.com/news/news.asp?nID=3356>

tamron has a few as well.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:25 pm
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:25 pm
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TH O wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>> TH O wrote:
>>> Paul Furman wrote:
>>>> TH O wrote:
>>>>> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>>>>>> Tony Polson wrote:
>>>>>>> The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
>>>>>>> sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.
>>>>>> Yep, agreed there.
>>>>> I wish they would get to it then. I'm tired of reading about posts in
>>>>> forums explaining what lenses work with the D40 and D40x. These
>>>>> limitations are making Canon's FD>EOS mount change into a good decision
>>>>> after all.
>>>> Mostly it's just pointless usenet noise, in the real world very few
>>>> entry level users have any desire for prime lenses, if they really want,
>>>> there's Sigma, if that's not good enough there's some exquisite f/2.8
>>>> wide zooms available but really, anyone headed that direction should get
>>>> at least a D80 or go Pentax, Sony or Canon. It's a small number, the
>>>> point of the D40 is to be small and inexpensive for the mass market.
>>> I'd look at it another way - there may be more D40s/D40xs/D60 sold each
>>> year than other Nikon bodies combined. Their users aren't receiving the
>>> full Nikon experience. Some of them will progress to becoming more
>>> advanced and then the confusion begins because Nikon can't get their act
>>> together and create a full af-s lineup. Every one of us began as a
>>> beginner at some point before advancing.
>>>
>> The only AF-S lenses missing are super fast primes. Not too many people
>> are going to be looking for $1,500 primes for their $40 camera.
>>
>> consumer:
>> ------------
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED
>> AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - NEW!
>> AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR - NEW!
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>> AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>> AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED
>> AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED
>> AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
>> AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED
>>
>> pro:
>> ------------
>> AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
>> AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED
>> AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>> AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mmf/2.8G ED - NEW!
>> AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED
>> AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>> AF-S VR Micro-NIKKOR 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>> AF-S VR NIKKOR 200mm f/2G IF-ED
>> AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED
>> AF-S NIKKOR 300mm f/4D IF-ED
>> AF-S VR NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>> AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8D IF-ED II
>> AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR
>> AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
>> AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR - NEW!
>> AF-S NIKKOR 600mm f/4D IF-ED II
>> AF-S NIKKOR 600mmf/4G ED VR - NEW!
>
> That's crazy ... no one is talking about $1,500 primes missing. Missing
> are the low-end primes and not one of them sells over $500:
>
> 20 2.8
> 24 2.8
> 28 2.8
> 35 2.0
> 50 1.8
> 50 1.4
> 85 1.8

Yes that would be nice but there just isn't much market for those kinds
of lenses. Those are 1988 style lenses. If that's really what you want,
don't buy into Nikon but I don't think enough people care to matter.
Besides, yes they do want beginnes moving upward to buy a new camera Smile

> Nikon is doing something wrong when Sigma 30mm lenses are highly
> recommended for D40 users.

That's because a 28mm f/1.4 is tough to make. I guess Nikon figures they
couldn't do much better than Sigma so why bother. The cropped sensor
means a fast normal lens is not going to be affordable. They could do a
35mm f/2 but hardly anyone buys the regular AF version. The 50-85mm
range could be done but that's a portrait lens, kind of specialized for
entry level and manual focus is actually more useful for that kind of
work. A 105/2.8 macro could fill that need if you really want AF & VR
though it's $800.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:06 pm
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Paul Furman <paul-.DeleteThis@-edgehill.net> wrote:
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>The only AF-S lenses missing are super fast primes. Not too many people
>are going to be looking for $1,500 primes for their $40 camera.
>
>consumer:
>------------
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED
>AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - NEW!
>AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR - NEW!
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED
>AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED
>AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
>AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED
>
>pro:
>------------
>AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - NEW!
>AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED
>AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mmf/2.8G ED - NEW!
>AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED
>AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>AF-S VR Micro-NIKKOR 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>AF-S VR NIKKOR 200mm f/2G IF-ED
>AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED
>AF-S NIKKOR 300mm f/4D IF-ED
>AF-S VR NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED
>AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8D IF-ED II
>AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR
>AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4D IF-ED II
>AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR - NEW!
>AF-S NIKKOR 600mm f/4D IF-ED II
>AF-S NIKKOR 600mmf/4G ED VR - NEW!


That's a useful list, Paul. Thanks for posting.

I wonder what is wrong with people who say that some Nikkors "don't
work on the D40/D40X) when in fact all their features work perfectly
well, except autofocus.

Is it really so much of a problem for people to focus manually? I
focus manually most of the time, even with my AF zoom lenses.
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