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VR on a 16-85mm lens with 5.6 at the long end.
What is this world coming to?
You are going to need anabolic steroids just to be able to carry a dSLR lens
and camera around . . .
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frederick wrote:
> PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens €1829 (it wasn't ever going
> to be cheap)

Cool. I guess "PC-E" means tilt/shift versus the old mostly shift only
PC lenses. There is a PC Micro 85/2.8D tilt/shift; the only difference
is it's not ED (extra low dispersion?).


> Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
> f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
>
> AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens €519
> IF / Nanon crystal coating.
>
> AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR €599
> VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
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In article <13prkol63t3oebd.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>, Rita Berkowitz
<ritaberk2008.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:

> > PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens €1829 (it wasn't ever going
> > to be cheap)
> > Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
> > f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
> >
> > AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens €519
> > IF / Nanon crystal coating.
> >
> > AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR €599
> > VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
>
> Source?

someone on dpreview supposedly has the leaked press releases of what's
to be announced this week. the 16-85vr leaked a month ago with photos
of the lens. also due is a d60 camera replacing the d40x.
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"flambe" <fac187 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> VR on a 16-85mm lens with 5.6 at the long end.
> What is this world coming to?
> You are going to need anabolic steroids just to be able to carry a
> dSLR lens and camera around . . .
Like most VR lenses there is a switch to shut off the VR function if
you wish. The choice of the users of the new 16-85mm is up to them.
"What is this world coming to?" the user is given a choice of using
the latest technical achievements or not! Are you serious?
Could you imagine Nikon offering a 16-85mm lens without VR? And then
coming out with a VR version months later?
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nospam wrote:
> In article <13prkol63t3oebd DeleteThis @news.supernews.com>, Rita Berkowitz
> <ritaberk2008 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens €1829 (it wasn't ever going
>>> to be cheap)
>>> Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
>>> f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
>>>
>>> AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens €519
>>> IF / Nanon crystal coating.
>>>
>>> AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR €599
>>> VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
>> Source?
>
> someone on dpreview supposedly has the leaked press releases of what's
> to be announced this week. the 16-85vr leaked a month ago with photos
> of the lens. also due is a d60 camera replacing the d40x.

Some Nikon sites have had the D60 listed but no details.
It seems logical. A "D60" with live view / sensor shake, at Canon 450d
price seems a reasonable move for now. I suppose, as things go, Nikon
might hold back on an updated D80 until sales for the D300 slow.

The lenses - will have to wait and see. None are of interest to me.
The 16-85 VR seems to be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but
as a kit lens for users new to Nikon DX, is probably pretty appealing.
16mm on Nikon DX 1:1.5 crop (~24mm) is significantly wider than 18mm on
Canon 1:1.6 crop (~29mm), and that could be a good selling point.
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In article <1201560394.323269@ftpsrv1>, frederick <lost.DeleteThis@sea.com> wrote:

> Some Nikon sites have had the D60 listed but no details.
> It seems logical. A "D60" with live view / sensor shake, at Canon 450d
> price seems a reasonable move for now. I suppose, as things go, Nikon
> might hold back on an updated D80 until sales for the D300 slow.

absolutely. the d300 just started shipping and releasing a 'd90' would
adversely impact its sales. it was almost a year between the d200 and
d80, and i'd expect a d80 replacement later in the year.

> The lenses - will have to wait and see. None are of interest to me.
> The 16-85 VR seems to be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but
> as a kit lens for users new to Nikon DX, is probably pretty appealing.
> 16mm on Nikon DX 1:1.5 crop (~24mm) is significantly wider than 18mm on
> Canon 1:1.6 crop (~29mm), and that could be a good selling point.

the 16-85vr is a nice replacement for the 18-70, and it competes with
canon's 17-85is. it's a little wider than nikon's 18-55/70/135/200 kit
lenses; it's the 24-120 for dx (actually almost 130). priced right, it
will be very popular.
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Paul Furman wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>> PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens €1829 (it wasn't ever going
>> to be cheap)
>
> Cool. I guess "PC-E" means tilt/shift versus the old mostly shift only
> PC lenses. There is a PC Micro 85/2.8D tilt/shift; the only difference
> is it's not ED (extra low dispersion?).
>
>
>> Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
>> f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
>>
>> AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens €519
>> IF / Nanon crystal coating.
>>
>> AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR €599
>> VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.


Here's a photo of it:
http://www.dphotoexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/24mm-tilt.jpg

Noted (with irony) that according to exif data, the publicity shot was
taken with a phase one P25.
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In article <tho-29953A.23222628012008 DeleteThis @news.giganews.com>, TH O
<tho DeleteThis @tho.23.invalid> wrote:

> > PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens ¤1829 (it wasn't ever going
> > to be cheap)
> > Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
> > f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
> >
> > AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens ¤519
> > IF / Nanon crystal coating.
> >
> > AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR ¤599
> > VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
>
> There's been a lot of rumors about lenses. Assuming the above list is
> correct, why would Nikon waste design resource on tilt-shift lenses
> which make few sales when nearly all of their sub-100mm lenses require
> redesigns with AF-S for all (and VR for some)? With limited engineering
> resources, it doesn't make sense that they would focus on the tilt-shift
> lenses.

it's correct:
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012907nikkorpce24.asp>
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012908nikkor60micro.asp>
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012909nikkor1685vr.asp>

perhaps the tilt/shift lenses sell more than you think. also, their
sub-100mm lenses don't need to be redesigned. they already focus
fairly fast and afs only adds compatibility with the d40/d40x/d60.
buyers of those cameras aren't overly interested in fixed focal length
lenses.
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TH O wrote:
> In article <1201510521.745225@ftpsrv1>, frederick <lost.RemoveThis@sea.com> wrote:
>
>> PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens ¤1829 (it wasn't ever going
>> to be cheap)
>> Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
>> f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
>>
>> AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens ¤519
>> IF / Nanon crystal coating.
>>
>> AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR ¤599
>> VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
>
> There's been a lot of rumors about lenses. Assuming the above list is
> correct, why would Nikon waste design resource on tilt-shift lenses

The pro market doing advertising product shots with a D3 where they
don't like to see products distorted and need to control DOF doing
closeups. These are probably exceptional lenses too, the current 85mm
t/s is nice: super sharp, low CA, soft OOF highlights.


> which make few sales when nearly all of their sub-100mm lenses require
> redesigns with AF-S for all (and VR for some)? With limited engineering
> resources, it doesn't make sense that they would focus on the tilt-shift
> lenses.
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frederick wrote:
[]
> Here's a photo of it:
> http://www.dphotoexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/24mm-tilt.jpg
>
> Noted (with irony) that according to exif data, the publicity shot was
> taken with a phase one P25.


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TH O <tho.RemoveThis@tho.23.invalid> wrote:

>In article <1201510521.745225@ftpsrv1>, frederick <lost.RemoveThis@sea.com> wrote:
>
>> PC-E Nikkor 24mm f/3.5D ED Tilt/Shift lens ¤1829 (it wasn't ever going
>> to be cheap)
>> Also PC-E Micro Nikkor 45mm f/2.8D ED and a PC-E Micro Nikkor 85mm
>> f/2.8D ED coming in mid- 2008.
>>
>> AF-S Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED lens ¤519
>> IF / Nanon crystal coating.
>>
>> AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR ¤599
>> VRII. To be offered as kit with D300.
>
>There's been a lot of rumors about lenses. Assuming the above list is
>correct, why would Nikon waste design resource on tilt-shift lenses
>which make few sales when nearly all of their sub-100mm lenses require
>redesigns with AF-S for all (and VR for some)? With limited engineering
>resources, it doesn't make sense that they would focus on the tilt-shift
>lenses.


There's a whole market for a range of tilt-shift lenses that is
presently supplied only by Canon, because of the selection of focal
lengths that only Canon offers in its TX-E range.

It is no coincidence that Nikon's new PC-E range offers the same focal
lengths as Canon's TX-E. Together with the introduction of the D3
DSLR, it means that the TS-E users who had no alternative to buying
Canon gear can now choose Nikon.

The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.
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"Tony Polson" <tp RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote:
>
> It is no coincidence that Nikon's new PC-E range offers the same focal
> lengths as Canon's TX-E.

That's _TS-E_.

> Together with the introduction of the D3
> DSLR, it means that the TS-E users who had no alternative to buying
> Canon gear can now choose Nikon.

Yep. And it looks as though Nikon may have been _very_ smart with their 24mm
tilt/shift lens: the Canon 24mm TS-E is a somewhat iffy lens, having CA and
less than stellar sharpness even though it's nominally an "L" lens, thanks
to a single fancy element. The new Nikon lens uses three* fancy elements and
is a physically larger lens (77 mm vs. 72 mm filter size, much longer, and
730 gm vs. 570 gm). Of course, a 5D + 24 TS-E is a somewhat reasonably sized
package, whereas a 3D + 24 PC-E isn't.

*: Oops. That's _SIX_ fancy elements. Three fancy glass, three aspherics.
Wow. Nikon's pulling out all the stops. (I'm writing off the "nano crystal
coat" bit as advertising BS. Seven if it's not.) Canon needs to come up with
a 24 TS-E "II". Fast.

(The Nikon lens has more tilt than the Canon, but I've never run into a
problem with the Canon lens. In fact, the best advice I read while trying to
figure out how to use it was "a little tilt goes a long way".)

> The engineering resources required to develop AF-S versions of the
> sub-100mm Nikkors are not huge.

Yep, agreed there.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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