Nikon D60 is announced

gpaleo wrote:
> "Neil Harrington" <neil DeleteThis @private.address> wrote
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>> Sosumi wrote:
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>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>>>
>>> Is he blind? "Appears to replace the D80" ???Anyone can see from a
>>> hundred yards it's a D40(x) body....
>>
>> I know. May have been a typo. It obviously is no replacement for the D80.
>
>
>
> Thom Hogan has a nice write-up.

Thom Hogan usually uses reason, but he doesn't allow for the fact that
new camera buyers often use emotion tempered by confusion, and are more
likely to read Ken Rockwell than his site.
I think that the D60 is a mistake - unless Nikon follows up soon with a
D80 replacement with liveview, the big new lcd, & D300 sensor.
Nikon has the top end (if you exclude the Canon 5d) and bottom end of
the "prosumer" dslr market sewn up quite well. In between is also very
important.
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:37 -0800, Paul Furman <paul- RemoveThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:

>Neil Harrington wrote:
>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>
>Ha, it does movies (sort of):
>
>"Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
>stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
>JPEG picture files."

That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate, not
even enough to do 1 scene...

I wonder why they bothered?

(Standard video is either 24 or 30 frames per sec, cartoons can run as low as
15.)

You can set a program like Pinnacle Studio to load stills, set them to 32
milisecs or whatever, and load in 1000 pics for a scene, and it outputs a movie
clip.


Do they have a size setting of 1920 x 1080?? Or 720 x 480?
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In article <hmpvp35eg69tankmi85dogkskip9q367dj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
<bob.TakeThisOut@yeruncle.com> wrote:

> >"Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
> >stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
> >JPEG picture files."
>
> That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate, not
> even enough to do 1 scene...

at 3fps, it's over thirty seconds of video. it also creates it from
consecutive images which do not necessarily have to be taken in
succession.

> I wonder why they bothered?

because it's fairly easy to implement and will probably entice some
buyers.

> (Standard video is either 24 or 30 frames per sec, cartoons can run as low as
> 15.)

it's not intended to be a video camera.

> You can set a program like Pinnacle Studio to load stills, set them to 32
> milisecs or whatever, and load in 1000 pics for a scene, and it outputs a
> movie
> clip.

that's true, but this is *out of the camera* with no additional
software needed.

> Do they have a size setting of 1920 x 1080?? Or 720 x 480?

according to nikon, the movie is created from full resolution 10 mpix
images, with the movie rendered in a few different sizes.
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bob DeleteThis @yeruncle.com wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:37 -0800, Paul Furman <paul- DeleteThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:
>
>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>> Ha, it does movies (sort of):
>>
>> "Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
>> stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
>> JPEG picture files."
>
> That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate, not
> even enough to do 1 scene...
>
> I wonder why they bothered?
>
<snip>
Given the expected shutter life of an entry level dslr, you should be
able to make about an hour of stop-animation video before the camera
goes in the trash bin. If it gets popular, then it might increase entry
level dslr sales considerably.
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RichA wrote:
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> What kind of idiot would do this? I suggest to anyone looking at this
> feature, go buy a frigging video camera, they cost next to nothing,
> and you can cavort with the rest of your "kind."

Plenty of people ask here how to make an animation from a sequence of
still DSLR images. This camera does it for you.

Yes, if you want video-rate movies you can use a low-cost small-sensor
camera instead (and you'd probably take that along in any case as a backup
for your DSLR).

David
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Neil Harrington wrote:
> Mark Sieving wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 12:05 pm, "Neil Harrington" <n....RemoveThis@private.address> wrote:
>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>>
>> The introduction suggests it's a replacement for the D80, but it
>> looks more like a replacement for the D40X.
>
> Yes, definitely. Maybe a typo on Ken's part.
>
>
>> I didn't see, but I assume it
>> doesn't have an autofocus motor for non AF-S lenses.
>
> I assume that too. Body looks the same size as the D40/D40x so I'd
> think that would rule out an AF motor and coupling in the body.

The page currently says:

"I suspect Nikon has introduced the D60 to replace the D40x, and slots the
D60 under the D80 and above the D40."

Cheers,
David
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> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:37 -0800, Paul Furman <paul-.RemoveThis@-edgehill.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Neil Harrington wrote:
>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>>
>>Ha, it does movies (sort of):
>>
>>"Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
>>stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
>>JPEG picture files."
>
> That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate,
> not
> even enough to do 1 scene...
>
> I wonder why they bothered?

It's a short cut to wiping out the shutter mechanism ;o)
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"frederick" <lost.TakeThisOut@sea.com> wrote in message
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> gpaleo wrote:

> I think that the D60 is a mistake - unless Nikon follows up soon with a
> D80 replacement with liveview, the big new lcd, & D300 sensor.

I doubt it was a mistake. Most likely the production runs of D40 and D40x
were completed some time ago, existing stocks are getting sold off, and
rather than make another run of either in its original form they made some
improvements and are marketing it as a new model. Makes sense to me. . . .
Depending on the price point of course.

Neil
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"Neil Harrington" <neil.TakeThisOut@private.address> wrote in message
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> Depending on the price point of course.
>
> Neil

I find it interesting that all the other information is now available on
various Nikon websites except for price. I speculate that the announcement
was ready and expected press date was pushed up from the start of PMA due to
the leaks and rummors, but that the SRP will depend on what other new models
are announced at PMA. I have heard about a new Canon 450? which is said to
compete but I have no feature or price information to compare.

The original leak said that the D40 would continue to be sold but that the
D40x would only be available in Japan. I note that the Canadian website
continues to list the D40 and D40x bodies and kits, but that the D40x has
not been available for shipment this year, and that the current SRP prices
have not changed.

I had wanted to purchase a D40x but suspect that I will need to wait till
the dust settles. Any strategy or advice welcome.
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> "Neil Harrington" <neil.RemoveThis@private.address> wrote in message
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>> Depending on the price point of course.
>>
>> Neil
>
> I find it interesting that all the other information is now available on
> various Nikon websites except for price. I speculate that the
> announcement was ready and expected press date was pushed up from the
> start of PMA due to the leaks and rummors, but that the SRP will depend on
> what other new models are announced at PMA. I have heard about a new
> Canon 450? which is said to compete but I have no feature or price
> information to compare.
>
> The original leak said that the D40 would continue to be sold but that the
> D40x would only be available in Japan.

That's interesting. I wonder why.


> I note that the Canadian website continues to list the D40 and D40x bodies
> and kits, but that the D40x has not been available for shipment this year,
> and that the current SRP prices have not changed.
>
> I had wanted to purchase a D40x but suspect that I will need to wait till
> the dust settles. Any strategy or advice welcome.

Checking just now I see that Adorama and Beach Camera both have the D40x for
sale, presumably in stock since they don't say otherwise, though Beach only
lists it as "body only." Adorama has it with various lens choices. I haven't
checked any other sellers but assume if those two have it probably others
do.

Neil
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Neil Harrington wrote:
> "frederick" <lost.TakeThisOut@sea.com> wrote in message
> news:1201649974.215202@ftpsrv1...
>> gpaleo wrote:
>
>> I think that the D60 is a mistake - unless Nikon follows up soon with a
>> D80 replacement with liveview, the big new lcd, & D300 sensor.
>
> I doubt it was a mistake. Most likely the production runs of D40 and D40x
> were completed some time ago, existing stocks are getting sold off, and
> rather than make another run of either in its original form they made some
> improvements and are marketing it as a new model. Makes sense to me. . . .
> Depending on the price point of course.
>
> Neil
>
>
IMO it's a mistake although what you point out might make sense from an
engineering/production POV.

Take a look now, and there are so many new models, Pentax/Samsung,
Olympus, and now Sony that I've lost track of model numbers. "Only"
10mp and no liveview is really "old hat". Nikon have nothing with
liveview and over 10mp except for the expensive D300 (&D3). It will be
an interesting year. IMO Nikon will be toast in consumer dslr sales if
they don't announce release of an updated D80 soon.

They can only hope to sell on the Nikon name, and good value offerings
in consumer & "kit" lenses.
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:35:32 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3127 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 29, 10:02 pm, b... RemoveThis @yeruncle.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:37 -0800, Paul Furman <pa... RemoveThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:
>> >Neil Harrington wrote:
>> >>http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>>
>> >Ha, it does movies (sort of):
>>
>> >"Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
>> >stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
>> >JPEG picture files."
>>
>> That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate, not
>> even enough to do 1 scene...
>>
>> I wonder why they bothered?
>>
>> (Standard video is either 24 or 30 frames per sec, cartoons can run as low as
>> 15.)
>>
>> You can set a program like Pinnacle Studio to load stills, set them to 32
>> milisecs or whatever, and load in 1000 pics for a scene, and it outputs a movie
>> clip.
>>
>> Do they have a size setting of 1920 x 1080?? Or 720 x 480?
>
>What kind of idiot would do this? I suggest to anyone looking at this
>feature, go buy a frigging video camera, they cost next to nothing,
>and you can cavort with the rest of your "kind."

It's not for taking video, it's for making 'stop action' animations - very
popular these days with DSLRs.

I know 2 people doing this, one uses a D70, the other uses film...
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:14:15 +1300, frederick <lost.TakeThisOut@sea.com> wrote:

>bob@yeruncle.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:37 -0800, Paul Furman <paul-.TakeThisOut@-edgehill.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm
>>> Ha, it does movies (sort of):
>>>
>>> "Stop-Motion Movie mode is a D-SLR first that enables users to create
>>> stop-animation movie clips from a series of as many as 100 consecutive
>>> JPEG picture files."
>>
>> That's only between 3 and 6 seconds of video, depending on the frame rate, not
>> even enough to do 1 scene...
>>
>> I wonder why they bothered?
>>
><snip>
>Given the expected shutter life of an entry level dslr, you should be
>able to make about an hour of stop-animation video before the camera
>goes in the trash bin. If it gets popular, then it might increase entry
>level dslr sales considerably.

My nephew does this in collage with a D70... I'll have to ask how his shutter is
holding out!

Whats it cost to replace the shutter is the question...
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