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Since: Feb 26, 2004 Posts: 158
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:49 am
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Ken Hart wrote:
> If you have some that was processed when it was 'fresh', you could shoot and
> process some now and compare the density of the edge of the frame. As the
> film ages, it will build up fog. You could also periodically shoot a
> greyscale target and check the densities of that. As you start losing
> contrast, then you should probably pick up the pace of your shooting. And
> by changing your developer, you may be able to counteract some of the
> effects of aging (The film's aging, not your own!)
>
> When I said "a year or two out of date", I probably should have mentioned
> that I'm pretty particular about color and contrast. Also, one brand might
> have substanially more frozen life than another.
Isn't Scala a black and white film? You should be able to get a decent
slide out of it by exposing a "test" subject with bracketed 1/4 or 1/8th
stops (if you can go the low) exposures and seeing which is best.
My guess from using old black and white film is that a useable neagtive
can be produced for many (20-30) years. All film fogs from exposure to
cosmic radiation (where did I put that lead lined freezer?) with ISO
1600 film starting to show noticable fog in a year or two. ISO 50 film
would need 32 times the exposure, ISO 100 16, to show the same fog, so
Scala is safe from that for a long time. Other sources of fogging may be
a problem first.
Or you could look into reversal processing of other films. One lab in
New York had good luck with Efke film and the Scala process. At one time
Kodak sold a reversal kit for regular film (I think it was Tri-X or
Plus-X) and later a similar kit for T-Max.
The kits are discontinued, but the formula has been published and at
least one third party sells a kit, which may or may not be exactly the
same, but should work.
I am partial to Ilford PAN-F, which is by my reconning the closest thing
to Kodak Panatomic-X still made. When Freestyle stopped carrying it as
their house brand, I was able to get several 100 foot rolls cheaply, and
they live in a 40F refrigerator.
It would be worth, IMHO, if you are up to the expermentation, to try a
roll of that in reversal processing along with the Efke KB-25. You might
just find a replacement for Scala.
More information can be obtained from rec.photo.darkroom.
Geoff.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:01 pm
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On 2008-02-15 04:49:06 -0500, gsm.TakeThisOut@mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) said:
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> Or you could look into reversal processing of other films. One lab in
> New York had good luck with Efke film and the Scala process. At one time
> Kodak sold a reversal kit for regular film (I think it was Tri-X or
> Plus-X) and later a similar kit for T-Max.
>
> The kits are discontinued, but the formula has been published and at
> least one third party sells a kit, which may or may not be exactly the
> same, but should work.
>
> I am partial to Ilford PAN-F, which is by my reconning the closest thing
> to Kodak Panatomic-X still made. When Freestyle stopped carrying it as
> their house brand, I was able to get several 100 foot rolls cheaply, and
> they live in a 40F refrigerator.
>
> It would be worth, IMHO, if you are up to the expermentation, to try a
> roll of that in reversal processing along with the Efke KB-25. You might
> just find a replacement for Scala.
>
> More information can be obtained from rec.photo.darkroom.
>
> Geoff.
Kodak marketed a b&w film for reversal processing called Kodak Direct
Positive film and sold the kit to process it. I don't think any
commercial labs did it, you had to do it yourself. Of course, back in
the 1960s there were a lot of us doing our own processing. But Kodak
also recommended processing Panatomic X in the chemistry rendering a
transparency. Pan X was a very fine grain very slow (ASA 32) negative
film and as I recall it was rated somewhat faster when processed as a
positive in that chemistry.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:02 pm
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On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE DeleteThis @gmail.com> said:
> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
> company do the developing and printing?
> Thanks for your opinions!
> Cindy
And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at
least nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good
too.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:08 am
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Michael wrote:
> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE RemoveThis @gmail.com> said:
>
>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>> company do the developing and printing?
>> Thanks for your opinions!
>> Cindy
>
> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at least
> nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good too.
And Kodachrome 25 wasn't as good as the older Kodachrome II which wasn't
as good as the original Kodachrome ASA 8 ... but that's how it is, and
no use crying for what you can't have.
But while I was looking for some history on this, I ran across a site
the Library of Congress has on Flickr of Kodachrome images (4x5 sheet
film) from the 30s &40s. Some might be interested in seeing them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/sets/72157603671370361/ >> Stay informed about: Is FujiFilm as good as, say, Kodachrome? |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:29 pm
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On 2008-02-16 10:08:26 -0500, Pudentame <no.one DeleteThis @no.were.invalid> said:
> Michael wrote:
>> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE DeleteThis @gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>>> company do the developing and printing?
>>> Thanks for your opinions!
>>> Cindy
>>
>> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at
>> least nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good
>> too.
>
>
> And Kodachrome 25 wasn't as good as the older Kodachrome II which
> wasn't as good as the original Kodachrome ASA 8 ... but that's how it
> is, and no use crying for what you can't have.
>
> But while I was looking for some history on this, I ran across a site
> the Library of Congress has on Flickr of Kodachrome images (4x5 sheet
> film) from the 30s &40s. Some might be interested in seeing them.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/sets/72157603671370361/
I remember Kodachrome II and its predecessor which was Kodachrome ASA
10. I don't remember it when it was 8.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:53 pm
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On 2008-02-16 10:08:26 -0500, Pudentame <no.one DeleteThis @no.were.invalid> said:
> Michael wrote:
>> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE DeleteThis @gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>>> company do the developing and printing?
>>> Thanks for your opinions!
>>> Cindy
>>
>> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at
>> least nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good
>> too.
>
>
> And Kodachrome 25 wasn't as good as the older Kodachrome II which
> wasn't as good as the original Kodachrome ASA 8 ... but that's how it
> is, and no use crying for what you can't have.
>
> But while I was looking for some history on this, I ran across a site
> the Library of Congress has on Flickr of Kodachrome images (4x5 sheet
> film) from the 30s &40s. Some might be interested in seeing them.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/sets/72157603671370361/
Thanks for the flickr link. Those images are priceless.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:11 pm
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When Kodak dropped Panatomix-X in 120, Ilford started making Pan-F in 120.
I've been using Pan-F in both 35 and 120 formats ever since and stopped
using Kodak. In my not so humble opinion, I thing Pan-F is superior,
especially when developed in Perceptol.
Gene Pallat
Orion Data Systems
Orion Forensics
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm DeleteThis @mendelson.com> wrote in message
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> Ken Hart wrote:
>
> I am partial to Ilford PAN-F, which is by my reconning the closest thing
> to Kodak Panatomic-X still made. When Freestyle stopped carrying it as
> their house brand, I was able to get several 100 foot rolls cheaply, and
> they live in a 40F refrigerator. >> Stay informed about: Is FujiFilm as good as, say, Kodachrome? |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:16 pm
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"Michael" <adunc79617.DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE.DeleteThis@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>> company do the developing and printing?
>> Thanks for your opinions!
>> Cindy
>
> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at least
> nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good too.
> --
> Michael
The local Natural history museum uses photographic prints to show volcanoes
and earthquakes to the public. One of the 30x40 prints was from Kodachrome.
You can see the difference even from 30 feet away.
Gene Pallat
Orion Data Systems
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 am
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Michael wrote:
> On 2008-02-16 10:08:26 -0500, Pudentame <no.one.RemoveThis@no.were.invalid> said:
>
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE.RemoveThis@gmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>>>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>>>> company do the developing and printing?
>>>> Thanks for your opinions!
>>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at
>>> least nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good
>>> too.
>>
>>
>> And Kodachrome 25 wasn't as good as the older Kodachrome II which
>> wasn't as good as the original Kodachrome ASA 8 ... but that's how it
>> is, and no use crying for what you can't have.
>>
>> But while I was looking for some history on this, I ran across a site
>> the Library of Congress has on Flickr of Kodachrome images (4x5 sheet
>> film) from the 30s &40s. Some might be interested in seeing them.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/sets/72157603671370361/
>
> I remember Kodachrome II and its predecessor which was Kodachrome ASA
> 10. I don't remember it when it was 8.
According to the history I found, it was originally introduced as ASA 8.
I think it might have gotten a boost to ASA 10 and even ASA 12. I
believe the original Kodachrome was a K-11 process, Kodachrome II was
K-12 and the current Kodachrome is K-14.
As far as personal memory, I barely remember Kodachrome II from the
advertising when I was a child. Kodak had already introduced the current
version of Kodachrome before I got really serious about photography the
first time, and at that I was shooting Tri-X, since the darkroom I had
access to didn't have facilities for color. >> Stay informed about: Is FujiFilm as good as, say, Kodachrome? |
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:05 am
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On 2008-02-17 08:57:05 -0500, Pudentame <no.one.DeleteThis@no.were.invalid> said:
> Michael wrote:
>> On 2008-02-16 10:08:26 -0500, Pudentame <no.one.DeleteThis@no.were.invalid> said:
>>
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> On 2008-02-13 06:02:38 -0500, CanonAE14fun <GOLLEEE.DeleteThis@gmail.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> Now that I've FINALLY bought a camera, I'm wondering about that. Is
>>>>> there a material difference in quality, given that I will be having a
>>>>> company do the developing and printing?
>>>>> Thanks for your opinions!
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> And a short answer to the OP: NOTHING is as good as Kodachrome, at
>>>> least nothing is as good as Kodachrome 25 (RIP) but 64 is pretty good
>>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Kodachrome 25 wasn't as good as the older Kodachrome II which
>>> wasn't as good as the original Kodachrome ASA 8 ... but that's how it
>>> is, and no use crying for what you can't have.
>>>
>>> But while I was looking for some history on this, I ran across a site
>>> the Library of Congress has on Flickr of Kodachrome images (4x5 sheet
>>> film) from the 30s &40s. Some might be interested in seeing them.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/sets/72157603671370361/
>>
>> I remember Kodachrome II and its predecessor which was Kodachrome ASA
>> 10. I don't remember it when it was 8.
>
> According to the history I found, it was originally introduced as ASA
> 8. I think it might have gotten a boost to ASA 10 and even ASA 12. I
> believe the original Kodachrome was a K-11 process, Kodachrome II was
> K-12 and the current Kodachrome is K-14.
>
> As far as personal memory, I barely remember Kodachrome II from the
> advertising when I was a child. Kodak had already introduced the
> current version of Kodachrome before I got really serious about
> photography the first time, and at that I was shooting Tri-X, since the
> darkroom I had access to didn't have facilities for color.
I know it was at one time ASA 10 because that's what it was in 1956
when I first used it. Something in my memory tells me the movie version
may have been ASA 12 but I'm not certain. I iknow the 35mm version
never went to 12. It went directly from Kodachrome (ASA 10) to
Kodachrome II (ASA 25).
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:06 am
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Pudentame <no.one RemoveThis @no.were.invalid> writes:
> According to the history I found, it was originally introduced as
> ASA 8. I think it might have gotten a boost to ASA 10 and even ASA
> 12.
No one seems to know for sure. Check Appendix A of
http://www.arp-geh.org/FileUpload_demo/KodaEktaSmall_Aug9_2005.pdf
ASA ratings are given for all emulsion variants EXCEPT the very first
35mm version. Part of the confusion may be because the ASA scale
wasn't that commonly used until after World War II.
> I believe the original Kodachrome was a K-11 process, Kodachrome II
> was K-12 and the current Kodachrome is K-14.
Almost right, but contrary to popular belief, the original Kodachrome
was not K-11. K-11 was introduced in the 1950s.
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