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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:44 pm
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I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.

What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
and up to 11x14 prints?

Thanks,
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I'ved used 23C variants for many years and they are excellent
workhorses for the formats you mention. They are very common and
accessories are easy to find (and bargain-priced, too!). They have a
wide variety of illumination systems.

The Omega choices are also good. In my experience, they have features
that some might prefer to Beseler. They are a bit less stable and
require a longer pause after touching the head and starting your
exposure. I always liked the function of the carriers on the Omegas
but either brand should serve you well and have easily found
accessories, too.

If you find something of another brand that seems decent, be certain
that it is a complete kit with what you'll likely need and not
something that will leave you searching in vain for a necessary part
or repair.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:44:03 -0800, "G.T." <getnews1.DeleteThis@dslextreme.com>
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>I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
>enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
>What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
>and up to 11x14 prints?
>
>Thanks,
>Greg

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:10 pm
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On 1/8/2008 1:44 PM G.T. spake thus:

> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
> enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
> and up to 11x14 prints?

Just another note endorsing the Beseler 23.

Be sure to get ahold of a grain focuser, too. Much better than trying to
focus with the nude eye. (Also available cheap on eBay, natch.)
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:25 pm
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Any of the Besler 23 series enlargers!


G.T. wrote:
> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
> enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
> and up to 11x14 prints?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
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"G.T." <getnews1 RemoveThis @dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some
> reasonble enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6
> negatives, and up to 11x14 prints?

I used a Besler 23c (XL - the tall one) and produced marvelous prints. Get
it, make sure it's put together right, aligned and BE HAPPY! Get a good
lens.
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"Nermal" <nermal1.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Any of the Besler 23 series enlargers!
>
> G.T. wrote:
>> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some
>> reasonble enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>>
>> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6
>> negatives, and up to 11x14 prints?

A couple of points on enlargers -

1. Given you want to use negatives up to 6x6, just make sure that the
enlarger in question handles 6x6 negatives. Then make certain that you get
the negative carriers and the lens boards/cones for each film format you
plan to use.

2. Most - if not all - enlargers will handle up to 11x14 prints, even 16x20
prints. There are ways to handle the larger prints if the enlarger column
is not long/tall enough to accommodate such larger prints - some enlargers
allow you to reverse mount the enlarger head so you can project onto the
floor rather than the baseborad. Other enlargers allow you to swivel the
enlarger head so you can project the negative image onto the nearby wall.
And some enlargers have the enlarger column slanted forward so you can
remove the baeboard and mount the enlarger column onto a three sided box
affair with shelves to accommodate different groups of print sides....you
project onto the highest shelf for the smallest set of prints, onto the
lowest shelf (with the intervening shelves removed) for the largest set of
prints.

3. If space is limited as it seems to be in your situation, look for
enlargers designed for apartment use. The Durst folks have a (non
discontinued) line just that. You easily put it up for a darkroom session
and quickly/readily break it down to store away in a chest drawer, on a
closet shelf afterwards.

4. Just right now is a good time to acquire a good, solid enlarger. The
rush to digital that still continues has put many an excellent enlarger
(with timer, safelight, trays, etc.) on the market at very good prices. You
say you are in the Los Angeles area....check the major photo stores there as
well as craigslist.
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In article <13o7rl4n8jafc19.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
G.T. <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
>enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
>What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
>and up to 11x14 prints?

The canonical answer is the Beseler 23. The Beseler 67 is smaller, cheaper,
and will also work well.

If you're in or near New York you can have mine.

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be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:50 pm
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"Thor Lancelot Simon" <tls RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <13o7rl4n8jafc19 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> G.T. <getnews1 RemoveThis @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some
>>reasonble
>>enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>>
>>What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6
>>negatives,
>>and up to 11x14 prints?
>
> The canonical answer is the Beseler 23. The Beseler 67 is smaller,
> cheaper,
> and will also work well.
>
> If you're in or near New York you can have mine.
>

Bummer. I'm all the way across the country, LA.

Greg
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:05 am
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wups...miscue. That third point should have read

"3. If space is limited as it seems to be in your situation, look for
enlargers designed for apartment use. The Durst folks have a (now
discontinued) line just that. You easily put it up for a darkroom session
and quickly/readily break it down to store away in a chest drawer, on a
closet shelf afterwards."

"now" rather than "non". Big difference.

"Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Nermal" <nermal1.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13o7u2q1dh7qn12@corp.supernews.com...
>> Any of the Besler 23 series enlargers!
>>
>> G.T. wrote:
>>> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some
>>> reasonble enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>>>
>>> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6
>>> negatives, and up to 11x14 prints?
>
> A couple of points on enlargers -
>
> 1. Given you want to use negatives up to 6x6, just make sure that the
> enlarger in question handles 6x6 negatives. Then make certain that you
> get the negative carriers and the lens boards/cones for each film format
> you plan to use.
>
> 2. Most - if not all - enlargers will handle up to 11x14 prints, even
> 16x20 prints. There are ways to handle the larger prints if the enlarger
> column is not long/tall enough to accommodate such larger prints - some
> enlargers allow you to reverse mount the enlarger head so you can project
> onto the floor rather than the baseborad. Other enlargers allow you to
> swivel the enlarger head so you can project the negative image onto the
> nearby wall. And some enlargers have the enlarger column slanted forward
> so you can remove the baeboard and mount the enlarger column onto a three
> sided box affair with shelves to accommodate different groups of print
> sides....you project onto the highest shelf for the smallest set of
> prints, onto the lowest shelf (with the intervening shelves removed) for
> the largest set of prints.
>
> 3. If space is limited as it seems to be in your situation, look for
> enlargers designed for apartment use. The Durst folks have a (non
> discontinued) line just that. You easily put it up for a darkroom session
> and quickly/readily break it down to store away in a chest drawer, on a
> closet shelf afterwards.
>
> 4. Just right now is a good time to acquire a good, solid enlarger. The
> rush to digital that still continues has put many an excellent enlarger
> (with timer, safelight, trays, etc.) on the market at very good prices.
> You say you are in the Los Angeles area....check the major photo stores
> there as well as craigslist.
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:55 pm
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"G.T." <getnews1.TakeThisOut@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some
> reasonble enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6
> negatives, and up to 11x14 prints?
>

I really like my Omega B-22. It will handle 6x6cm and smaller. If you are
going to use it for 35mm, be sure it includes the supplemental condenser
lens-- a small lens that lays on top of the regular condenser lenses to
concentrate the light over the smaller neg size.

(Omega's model numbers tell the neg size: "A" series is 35mm only, "B"
series is up to 6x6, "D" series is 4x5, "E" is 5x7, "F" is 8x10 and "G"
series is for 11x14 negatives. I'd love to have one of those, just for the
heck of it!)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:15 pm
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:13:28 +0000 (UTC), tls.DeleteThis@panix.com (Thor Lancelot
Simon) wrote:

>The canonical answer is the Beseler 23. The Beseler 67 is smaller, cheaper,
>and will also work well.
>
>If you're in or near New York you can have mine.

Replaced it with something else, or just giving up printing?
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In article <mo8ao3dv85kuov73c6mr22tbch4npg9o8n.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Andrew Price <andrew.price.DeleteThis@free.fr> wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:13:28 +0000 (UTC), tls.DeleteThis@panix.com (Thor Lancelot
>Simon) wrote:
>
>>The canonical answer is the Beseler 23. The Beseler 67 is smaller, cheaper,
>>and will also work well.
>>
>>If you're in or near New York you can have mine.
>
>Replaced it with something else, or just giving up printing?

I replaced it with something else almost 10 years ago, but I haven't ever
managed to get anyone to take it away from me.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:52 am
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In article <13o7rl4n8jafc19.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
"G.T." <getnews1.TakeThisOut@dslextreme.com> writes:
>
> I've been poking around on Ebay and Craigslist and there are some reasonble
> enlargers available at the moment, several Beseler 23c series.
>
> What's the most basic enlarger that I can do 35mm, 6x4.5, and 6x6 negatives,
> and up to 11x14 prints?

The Beseler 23c you mention seems to be popular, although I can't comment
on it from personal experience. Durst, LPL, and Omega are other popular
brands that spring to mind. In Europe, Meoptas are also well-liked,
although they're rarer in the US.

Personally, I've got a Philips PCS130 with a PCS150 light source/control
unit, so I'll say a bit about it. This enlarger will handle up to 6x7
negatives, although the condensers needed for 6x7 are fairly rare (up to
6x6 is common). The Philips is a nice unit, although it's long since
discontinued and it was never all that common, so getting spare parts can
be a problem. The PCS150 light source uses three somewhat exotic (and
therefore expensive -- about $15-$30 apiece) 14V 35W MR11 bulbs, which is
definitely a minus. The PCS130 was available without the PCS150 light
source, but most I've seen on eBay pair the two of them. The PCS150 is
unusual because it uses a single-exposure additive color system -- those
three bulbs are associated with red, green, and blue filters, and
"filtration" for VC B&W papers or color papers is done by varying the
brightness of each bulb. This is logically equivalent to using the more
common cyan, magenta, and yellow filters in front of a single bulb.
Another unusual feature is that it's a color enlarger that uses condensers
(most color enlargers use a diffusion design).

In any event, the Philips is a well-built enlarger with a decent set of
features, such as a rotating head for wall projection, a fine-focus knob
(optional, but most units I've seen on eBay have it), and a perspective
control head. A more popular unit, such as a Beseler 23c, would have the
advantage of easier-to-find parts and less expensive bulbs; however, if
you stumble across a Philips PCS130/PCS150 (or the PCS2000, which is a
diffusion cousin to the PCS130/PCS150) at a good price and with all the
parts you need (ideally including a couple of spare bulbs), it'd be a fine
enlarger.

FWIW, I used to have a Durst C35. This was the bottom-of-the-line Durst
model, and it could only handle up to 35mm, so it wouldn't be of much
interest to you -- except that Durst once sold an optional diffusion box
to let the enlarger handle up to 6x6. Although the C35 is a compact unit,
I recommend you avoid it. It's just not very sturdily built. Also,
although it's sold as a color unit, it includes only magenta and yellow
filters. This is fine for B&W, and even for most color enlargements; but
you may need slide-in cyan filters for some color enlargements. Higher-end
Durst units are apparently much better than this one, although I've never
used one.

More generally speaking, I recommend you get a color enlarger. You can use
the color filters to control the contrast of VC B&W papers. With a B&W
enlarger, you'll need separate contrast control filters. My impression is
that most people prefer using color heads (or the somewhat rarer VC heads,
which have just magenta and yellow filters) to separate filters, although
there are definitely exceptions to this rule. Also, if you get a color
enlarger you'll be set to do color enlargements, even if you don't plan to
do so now. In today's used market, color enlargers carry little or no
price premium over B&W enlargers. Note that some enlargers (mostly fairly
old models) were sold as color units just because they had filter drawers,
so watch out for that. I'd call such units B&W enlargers, even if they've
got the word "color" in their names. The main reason to avoid color
enlargers is if you prefer condenser to diffusion enlargers, since color
condenser enlargers are pretty rare.

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