D80 at Costco

Steven wrote:
> Get a 30D instead of the buggy D80.
>
> Even the Rebel Xti is a better choise.
>
> Look here all the complains about noise and metering problems.
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=20831512

Did you bother to look there? It's a photo with the built-in flash, at
f/5.6 and 70mm. The flash has a guide number of 13. The lady seems to
be more than 2m away to me.
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V Green wrote:
> All:
>
> Costco is selling the D80 with two lenses (one is
> the std. one that comes in a D80 "kit", the other
> is a longer lens, can't remember which) for $1299.

18-55 and 55-200
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:07:20 -0700, "V Green" <vanceg.RemoveThis@nowhere.net>
wrote:

>The only thing keeping me from buying the D80
>RIGHT NOW is the "dust on the sensor" issue,
>which the xTi has addressed.

Dust doesn't do what Canon evidently thinks it does.
Observe dust, and you'll see it doesn't obediently fall down
immediately when disturbed, and it certainly isn't attracted to a
vertically oriented sticky strip below the sensor.
Anti-dust shakers are a marketing thing (maybe I should say, "scam"?)
that don't work. Dust just doesn't do what would be necessary for them
to work.
There are many solutions for 'dust on the sensor' on the market.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
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Jim Blue wrote:
> V Green wrote:
>> All:
>>
>> Costco is selling the D80 with two lenses (one is
>> the std. one that comes in a D80 "kit", the other
>> is a longer lens, can't remember which) for $1299.
>
> 18-55 and 55-200

both really low-end lenses. The D80 is normally supplied with the 18~70
(good glass, good build) or the new 18~135 (plastic mount, kit lens quality)
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Get a 30D instead of the buggy D80.

Even the Rebel Xti is a better choise.

Look here all the complains about noise and metering problems.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=20831512

more here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1034
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the Canon system works pretty well according some owners.

Its suppose to be a lot better than the one in the alpa.


You can even find "before and after" examples in some forums.
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"Steven" <sure DeleteThis @whynot.taz> wrote in news:JwK5h.11047$jG4.51848
@wagner.videotron.net:

> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=20831512

It is one complaint. All the other posts are answers to this post. I
would hardly say a camera is bad based on one or even several complaints.
He is an admitted novice and really doesn't know how to properly use the
D80. The D80 is an awsome camera.
Jack
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The camera is awesome, the lenses not.
However this is an excellent value for a beginner.
If you progress in your knowledge and ultimately get a better lens you will
be able to appreciate the value of better quality glass.
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In article <_d2dnapoPtETIcrYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d.RemoveThis@golden.net>,
"Bill" <bill.RemoveThis@c.a> wrote:


> And the Rebel XT never really had an issue with dust either. I usually
> just used a rocket blower to clean the dust off the sensor.

As a new owner of a D80, just what is a "rocket blower" and how is it
used?

TIA

--
There are two ways to spell Ockham/Occam. Britannica prefers the former.
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"V Green" <vanceg.RemoveThis@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> All:
>
> Costco is selling the D80 with two lenses (one is
> the std. one that comes in a D80 "kit", the other
> is a longer lens, can't remember which) for $1299.
>
> I am lusting after this cam, and have also looked
> at the Canon Rebel xTi.

If you like the handling of the D80, go for it. It beats every other
10mp camera on the shelves right now, except the Nikon D200, for
performance and features. It costs a bit more than the XTi, but it
offers more features, better handling, better viewfinder, and better
kit lense.

> The only thing keeping me from buying the D80
> RIGHT NOW is the "dust on the sensor" issue,
> which the xTi has addressed.

Do a search about dust with DSLR cameras and you'll find that it's a
non-issue.

I happen to own the D80, and it's been 2.5 weeks since I bought it and
it still does not have a single speck on the sensor. I change lenses
all the time. If the sensor is clean, it has a tendency to stay that
way due to antistatic coatings on the sensor (filter actually since it
covers the sensor).

There are now three cameras on the market with sensors that use
vibration technology to "clean" the sensor. None of them work as
suggested...it's just a marketing gimmick.

> Is this such a big deal, especially if you're a lifetime
> amateur and already take good care when changing
> lenses?

Not an issue at all.

And even if you do get some dust on the sensor, most of the time it
won't show in photos. And if it is visible at small apertures like
f/16 or f/22, the Nikon has a dust reference feature that can be used
to remove the dust in editing software (I haven't bothered to use it
on the D80 or the older D70s which I used to borrow a lot).

In the event you get a few large dust bunnies in there, you can clean
the sensor with a rocket blower, manual air pump from the hardware
store, or even with a wet technique using specialized methanol cleaner
and swabs:

http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/

> I'm also aware that the xTi is the lighter of the two, but not
> by that much, and I'm OK with that.

I originally bought the Rebel XT nearly two years ago because it was
smaller and lighter. I changed to the much better handling of the
Nikon D80. Two of the big factors in my change was the handling, and
the better viewfinder.

I use the Nikon 18-70 with it the most. I could have bought it with
the 18-135, and it's not a bad lense, but for less money I was able to
pickup a used 18-70 from a friend and it's a great little unit.

And the Rebel XT never really had an issue with dust either. I usually
just used a rocket blower to clean the dust off the sensor.
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Steven wrote:
> Get a 30D instead of the buggy D80.
>
> Even the Rebel Xti is a better choise.

Choice of a camera should include the handling, in addition to all the
other features. By all reports, the Nikon handles very well. I would
expect any bugs in the D80 to be resolved by firmware upgrades, just as
Canon do for their cameras.

David
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"Steven" <sure.RemoveThis@whynot.taz> wrote in message
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> Get a 30D instead of the buggy D80.

Buggy?

I own the D80 and I can't find a single problem with it. I couldn't
say that about the Rebel XT when I bought it - it needed a firmware
update to fix the image review scrolling issue it had new from the
factory.

> Even the Rebel Xti is a better choise.

> Look here all the complains about noise and metering problems.
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=20831512

As someone else already pointed out, that was one complaint and it was
due to user error, not a problem with the camera.

> more here:
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1034

That is not a thread, it's a link to the forums, so it's useless.

Are you being sarcastic, or trolling perhaps?
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In article <Mencken-1AA6D8.19103012112006 RemoveThis @nntp0.pdx.net>, Ockham's
Razor <Mencken RemoveThis @pdx.net> wrote:
>
> As a new owner of a D80, just what is a "rocket blower" and how is it
> used?

<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home;?O=Search&A=details&Q=&
sku=318545&is=REG>

a squirt of air blows out any dust.
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