D30 vs P & S cameras

" the D30 it takes much
better pictures"

wrong homey.
You could use a 5D, a 3.2mp, Pentax K-1000, or a single use P&S, it all
depends on the photog NOT the camera.
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aaJoe <noemail DeleteThis @nospam.org> wrote:
> It looks like the D30 may be the cheapest way of getting into DSLR
> photography. If not please suggest other bodies (Canon, Nikon, Pentax,
> Minolta, etc).
>
> I was told that due to the larger sensor size in the D30 it takes much
> better pictures (more detail I think) than point and shoot cameras of
> larger MP size. Is this accurate?

Since you call it the D30 rather than the 30D, I suspect you haven't done much
research? Have you ever used a Digital SLR? I think you should consider the
Canon Digital Rebel XT or the Nikon D50 if you are considering a DSLR.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> aaJoe <noemail.TakeThisOut@nospam.org> wrote:
>> It looks like the D30 may be the cheapest way of getting into DSLR
>> photography. If not please suggest other bodies (Canon, Nikon, Pentax,
>> Minolta, etc).
>>
>> I was told that due to the larger sensor size in the D30 it takes much
>> better pictures (more detail I think) than point and shoot cameras of
>> larger MP size. Is this accurate?
>
> Since you call it the D30 rather than the 30D, I suspect you haven't done much
> research? Have you ever used a Digital SLR? I think you should consider the
> Canon Digital Rebel XT or the Nikon D50 if you are considering a DSLR.
>

It appears from other posts that you may have been referring to the venerable
Canon D30 that is only for sale from existing inventory or used. If that is
the case, I would still suggest the Nikon D50 (or the more expensive Canon
Digital Rebel XT) if you have no vested interest in glass that would make your
decision more directed.

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> > It looks like the D30 may be the cheapest way of getting into DSLR
> > photography. If not please suggest other bodies (Canon, Nikon, Pentax,
> > Minolta, etc).
> >
> > I was told that due to the larger sensor size in the D30 it takes much
> > better pictures (more detail I think) than point and shoot cameras of
> > larger MP size. Is this accurate?
>
> Since you call it the D30 rather than the 30D, I suspect you haven't done much
> research? Have you ever used a Digital SLR? I think you should consider the
> Canon Digital Rebel XT or the Nikon D50 if you are considering a DSLR.

I said the D30 not the 30D. Different cameras. Learn your models. I
have considered the Rebel and Nikons hence my posting here.
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> > It looks like the D30 may be the cheapest way of getting into DSLR
> > photography. If not please suggest other bodies (Canon, Nikon, Pentax,
> > Minolta, etc).
> >
> > I was told that due to the larger sensor size in the D30 it takes much
> > better pictures (more detail I think) than point and shoot cameras of
> > larger MP size. Is this accurate?
>
> Yes, the D30 will give you better results than a P&S with a bigger
> sensor, cleaner noise, more control, nicer to handle, quicker responses.
> But quality can be vastle altered down to the lens you stick on the
> front, try putting a big range zoom on such as a 28-300 on the front to
> cover all and the optical quality will be no better than a P&S but with
> some good short zooms and some good primes you will get great results.

Why does a big range zoom lower the output quality? (I'll be using
mainly used film type 50 mm 1.8, and a portrait (80 or 105) lenses.

> There are some good short range P&S out there, I've got a Canon G2 which
> gives some really really good results, and I've kept hold of mine
> because of that when I bought my DSLR.

Later I'll search for a very compact P&S for portability. Something
that is flat.

> I've gone down the used D30 route myself to, picked one up cheap, but
> now the Nikon D50 is dropping in price that could be a very tempting
> buy. Also watch the price of the later D60 and 10D Canons as they are
> dropping in price a little since the launch of the 30D. Avoid the Nikon
> D1's also in a similar price bracket but more often than not used and
> abused by the pro's and more likely to be on its last legs, whereas
> there are quite a few good D30 & D60s out there.
>
> Do ensure you get (D30/D60) one with the double battery charger and the
> mains coupler. Quite often they get split [1] so the chargers fetch $100
> on their own, the D30/D60 have to be connected to the mains to enable
> the sensor clean mode which keeps the mirror and shutter out of the way,
> otherwise you have to carefully do it on bulb mode.

There seems to be lots of used power adapters out there unless these
models use unusual ones. I've got a universal 2 amp power adapter.
Would that ok?

Why DSLR camera manufacturers can't make a platform that you plop your
camera down on that connects with USB 2.0 or Firewire 400 or 800 to move
your pictures and charge your lithium battery is a mystery. It seems so
tedious to have to plug in your charger, or take out your battery to put
it in the charger, remove the memory card, put it in the reader, put it
back in the camera.......utterly ridiculous. The contacts could be
built into the bottom of the camera. No wear really at all.

> Right now I wouldn't put any money into Minolta DSLR kit as things are
> up in the open with Sony taking charge, the Olympus FourThirds seems to
> be a bit of a hybrid that nobody but the owners of the kit seem to like,
> still hasn't got a foot holding, Pentax opens up a world of MF & AF
> lenses and a good budget buy, but there is probably more used Canon and
> Nikon kit out there to aid going down one of those routes cheaply,
> personally I switched from Pentax MF to Canon AF but that was just my
> choice at the time, plenty of used Canon kit about and I hadn't got a
> lot invested in Pentax MF so either way I'd got to spend money and Canon
> seemed the sensible choice.
>
> [1] And a Canon 10D charger or generic included.

I would suppose that Canon lenses are generally a little less expensive
than Nikon for the same quality? Nikon has always seemed to have the
edge in reputation over the years.
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
[]
> Designing and building a lens that's good over a 10:1 range of focal
> lengths is much MUCH harder than designing a lens that's good at one
> focal length, or even at a shorter range, maybe 2:1, of focal
> lengths. There are more tradeoffs that come into play.

True .... although Panasonic/Leica seem to have produced a high-quality
12:1 image-stablised zoom for their cameras such as the FZ5, FZ7, FZ20
series. Not having to make the lens interchangeable may be a positive
benefit in this case.

David
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> "David J Taylor"
> <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk> writes:
>
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> []
>>> Designing and building a lens that's good over a 10:1 range of focal
>>> lengths is much MUCH harder than designing a lens that's good at one
>>> focal length, or even at a shorter range, maybe 2:1, of focal
>>> lengths. There are more tradeoffs that come into play.
>>
>> True .... although Panasonic/Leica seem to have produced a
>> high-quality 12:1 image-stablised zoom for their cameras such as the
>> FZ5, FZ7, FZ20 series. Not having to make the lens interchangeable
>> may be a positive benefit in this case.
>
> The shorter actual focal lengths help a lot, as I understand it.
>
> Also, I wonder if maybe they're already taking advantage of digital
> correction of, for example, barrel/pincushion distortion, built into
> the camera? That would make it simpler too.
>
> And we have no objective measure of lens quality (that correlates well
> with people's liking for the photos the lens produces), so we can also
> ask the question "How good is that Leica lens *really*?".
>
> Zeiss made (probably still makes) a very nice 10-100mm f/1.8 lens
> that's of *extremely* high quality. It covers at least 16mm; quite
> possibly not more (guess where I worked with it). It's a bit heavy
> (and large) for still camera use, though, and a bit expensive for most
> normal people (I was told the one we used was worth about $25,000, 10
> years ago; no idea how correct that was, or if it was perhaps the
> *new* price for that model rather than the worth of the actual sample
> I had in my hands).

I haven't had a good explanation (IIRC) of /why/ shorter focal length
lenses are easier (to me it just says tighter manufacturing tolerances!),
but I'm sure you are right.

There is no digital barrel correction - this is a consumer level camera!

I think the shape of the MTF curve influences people's perception of lens
performance - some like a long tail but others a higher low-frequency
value up to the fall-off point. Adding the sensor and anti-alias filter
complicates things!

I'm certainly not claiming that the Panasonic/Leica lens is anything near
the Zeiss you mention, but it /is/ one of those designs which has hit the
sweet spot and has become a classic.

David
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Mr.Bolshoyhuy wrote:

> " the D30 it takes much
> better pictures"
>
> wrong homey.
> You could use a 5D, a 3.2mp, Pentax K-1000, or a single use P&S, it all
> depends on the photog NOT the camera.

If it all depended on the photographer then he wouldn't need no steekeeng
_camera_.

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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> "David J Taylor"
[]
>> There is no digital barrel correction - this is a consumer level
>> camera!
>
> How do we (you) actually know this? There's a lot of image-processing
> power in a consumer digital camera.

If such correction were present, I am sure that the remaining distortions
which are seen would not, in fact be present.

I think the processing power required for such corrections is still in
excess of the processing power available. Not even any camera in the
expensive DSLR line offers this - yet.

David
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