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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:55 am
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in article bob_salomon-E8A551.16400111032005.TakeThisOut@news.isp.giganews.com, Bob
Salomon at bob_salomon.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote on 11/3/05 10:40 pm:
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> "no one should automatically trust the word of a company which has a
> vested interest in some product in question."
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> Then who should one take the word of? You quote an article quoting the
> company that has a vested interest.
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> If you want the correct answer to something it is frequently better not
> to get it from a major source of rumors like the internet. And it is
> very unlikely that a manufacturer is going to inform someone on the
> internet about their future before they tell their distributors.
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Looks like DPreview had better information than the US distributors (ToCad):
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://global.kyocera.com/news/2005/0402.html" target="_blank">http://global.kyocera.com/news/2005/0402.html</a>
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:55 pm
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Kyocera has offically announced that the brank "Contrax" will be
discontinued yesterday. Except Contax 645 all other Contax camera bodies
and lens will be discontinued in May 05 and 645 will be in December 05.
"Ben Micklem" <ben.micklem.TakeThisOut@pharm.ox.ac.uk>
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> in article bob_salomon-E8A551.16400111032005.TakeThisOut@news.isp.giganews.com, Bob
> Salomon at bob_salomon.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote on 11/3/05 10:40 pm:
> <snip>
>> "no one should automatically trust the word of a company which has a
>> vested interest in some product in question."
>>
>> Then who should one take the word of? You quote an article quoting the
>> company that has a vested interest.
>>
>> If you want the correct answer to something it is frequently better not
>> to get it from a major source of rumors like the internet. And it is
>> very unlikely that a manufacturer is going to inform someone on the
>> internet about their future before they tell their distributors.
> <snip>
>
> Looks like DPreview had better information than the US distributors
> (ToCad):
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://global.kyocera.com/news/2005/0402.html</font" target="_blank">http://global.kyocera.com/news/2005/0402.html</font</a>>
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> Ben
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:55 am
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"Cameras" <camera RemoveThis @ourbrisbane.com.au> wrote in message
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> Kyocera has offically announced that the brank "Contrax" will be
> discontinued yesterday.
All they are discontinuing is their production of it. They don't own the
brand Contax, Zeiss owns that.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:55 am
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"Cameras" <camera.DeleteThis@ourbrisbane.com.au> wrote in message
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> Kyocera has offically announced that the brank "Contrax" will be
> discontinued yesterday.
All they are discontinuing is their production of it. They don't own the
brand Contax, Zeiss owns that.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:55 am
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"Alex MacPhee" <alex_macpheeSNIPTHIS RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Cameras" <camera RemoveThis @ourbrisbane.com.au> wrote in message
> news:425c86aa$0$5393$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Kyocera has offically announced that the brank "Contrax" will be
> > discontinued yesterday.
>
> All they are discontinuing is their production of it. They don't own the
> brand Contax, Zeiss owns that.
>
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:55 am
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" Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
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> Zeiss sold the brand name to Yashica over 20 years ago, AFAIK
They only entered into a partnership to produce Contax branded cameras under
licence, after previous overtures with Pentax came to nothing. Zeiss still
own the Contax and Ikon brands.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:55 pm
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Alex MacPhee wrote:
> They only entered into a partnership to produce Contax branded cameras
under
> licence, after previous overtures with Pentax came to nothing. Zeiss still
> own the Contax and Ikon brands.
Since Zeiss does not produce cameras, is not likely to begin doing so, the
point who owns the Contax brand is moot.
With Kyocera out of it, the current Contax camera line is dead.
Then there's another issue, more important than who owns the Contax name:
who owns the technology in the Contax cameras?
If (which is highly probable) it is Kyocera, there is no chance of anyone
else continuing the production.
So the current Contax camera line is dead, never to return again.
Then, even if someone is willing to pick up where Kyocera left off, they
will inherit Kyocer'as problems too: there is almost no market for the
Contax cameras.
So even then the current line will remain dead. Expect to see digital
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:55 pm
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Q.G. de Bakker <qnu RemoveThis @tiscali.nl> wrote:
> Since Zeiss does not produce cameras, is not likely to begin doing so, the
> point who owns the Contax brand is moot.
Here's an official statement from Zeiss on this topic:
"Unter der Marke CONTAX hat Kyocera jahrelang hervorragende Kameras mit
Carl Zeiss Objektiven auf den Markt gebracht. Wir bedauern, daß Kyocera,
gemäß Verlautbarung vom 12. April 2005, diese Aktivitäten nicht
fortsetzen wird. Nach wie vor besteht zwischen Carl Zeiss und Kyocera
ein Vertrag über die exklusive Nutzung der Marke CONTAX durch Kyocera.
Dieser Vertrag hat noch eine Laufzeit von mehreren Jahren. Wir können
deshalb derzeit noch keine konkreten Aussagen über die künftige
Entwicklung machen."
In a nutshell: We regret Kyocera's decision. There is and remains a
contract between Carl Zeiss and Kyocera about the exclusive use of the
Contax brand by Kyocera. Expiry of this contract still is a few years
away. We can't make any definite statements on what the future may
bring.
Ralf
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:55 pm
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Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> In a nutshell: We regret Kyocera's decision. There is and remains a
> contract between Carl Zeiss and Kyocera about the exclusive use of the
> Contax brand by Kyocera. Expiry of this contract still is a few years
> away. We can't make any definite statements on what the future may
> bring.
Thanks for the quote.
Even if Zeiss works out a deal to buy off Kyocera's rights to use the brand,
what are they going to put it on?
They took possession of the "Ikon" brand again (which must have cost the a
pretty penny) and put it on a Cosina camera.
Hands up and be counted: how many have bought the new Zeiss-Ikon?
And now spend cash to regain control of another brand again?
But if...
I think it would be a save bet that, should we see new "Contax" cameras
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:55 pm
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Q.G. de Bakker wrote:
> Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
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>>In a nutshell: We regret Kyocera's decision. There is and remains a
>>contract between Carl Zeiss and Kyocera about the exclusive use of the
>>Contax brand by Kyocera. Expiry of this contract still is a few years
>>away. We can't make any definite statements on what the future may
>>bring.
>
>
> Thanks for the quote.
>
> Even if Zeiss works out a deal to buy off Kyocera's rights to use the brand,
> what are they going to put it on?
>
> They took possession of the "Ikon" brand again (which must have cost the a
> pretty penny) and put it on a Cosina camera.
> Hands up and be counted: how many have bought the new Zeiss-Ikon?
>
> And now spend cash to regain control of another brand again?
>
> But if...
> I think it would be a save bet that, should we see new "Contax" cameras
> soon, they would be called "Zeiss-Ikon".
>
>
One possible partner comes to mind: Sony.
Unfortunately, they have no experience in the SLR market and might not
be willing to enter it. Also, any new medium format cameras produced
directly by Zeiss might put them at odds with Hasselblad.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:55 pm
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Q.G. de Bakker <qnu.RemoveThis@tiscali.nl> wrote:
> They took possession of the "Ikon" brand again (which must have cost the a
> pretty penny) and put it on a Cosina camera.
What cost? The Zeiss-Ikon brand had not been used by anybody for any
photo-related product since the closure of the Stuttgart factory in the
late 70's.
Ralf
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:55 pm
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"Ralf R. Radermacher" <fotoralf.RemoveThis@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> What cost? The Zeiss-Ikon brand had not been used by anybody for any
> photo-related product since the closure of the Stuttgart factory in the
> late 70's.
Trademark issues, perhaps. It gets complicated in Germany. Rights might
apply across German trademarks, the International registry, European
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:55 pm
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Frankly speaking I don't care whether Contax will continue or not. I just
love their lens. If a DSLR can use all the old lens just like Contax AX.
It will be perfect.
"Ralf R. Radermacher" <fotoralf DeleteThis @gmx.de>
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> Q.G. de Bakker <qnu DeleteThis @tiscali.nl> wrote:
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>> They took possession of the "Ikon" brand again (which must have cost the
>> a
>> pretty penny) and put it on a Cosina camera.
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> What cost? The Zeiss-Ikon brand had not been used by anybody for any
> photo-related product since the closure of the Stuttgart factory in the
> late 70's.
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> Ralf
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:55 pm
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"Q.G. de Bakker" <qnu.TakeThisOut@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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> Since Zeiss does not produce cameras, is not likely to begin doing so
That Zeiss does not manufacture cameras is not relevant to the ownership of
the brand. This has not, after all, impeded Zeiss from reviving the Zeiss
Ikon marque, in partnership with Cosina. The brand still exists, and can be
manufactured. This, therefore,
> With Kyocera out of it, the current Contax camera line is dead.
is a non sequitur. The Contax line manufactured by Kyocera is dead, that's
all.
> who owns the technology in the Contax cameras?
I'm pretty sure that Kyocera will have patents in the camera designs, but
that is not the issue here. Zeiss may enter partnership with another
manufacturer
> Then, even if someone is willing to pick up where Kyocera left off, they
> will inherit Kyocer'as problems too: there is almost no market for the
> Contax cameras.
Kyocera were not what one would call red hot in marketing, but the Contax
line has always been a niche line, not a mass market line, and those who
bought into Contax generally did so because they were also buying into Zeiss
glass. Whoever is able to pick up the brand is not obliged to pick up
Kyocera's less than able marketing problems.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:55 pm
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Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> What cost? The Zeiss-Ikon brand had not been used by anybody for any
> photo-related product since the closure of the Stuttgart factory in the
> late 70's.
That't true.
But the IKON brand was sold (with logo, without Zeiss name) to that
Scandinavian lock and key making firm. Together with the factory (which
already made locks and keys) and all.
It hadn't been owned by Zeiss anymore for many years.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Contax is NOT Dead |
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