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Since: Jul 26, 2007 Posts: 209
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:25 am
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"Charles" <charlesschuler.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Sosumi" <sosumi.RemoveThis@home.nl> wrote in message
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>> Canon? C'mon! Are you into masochism, buy Canon.... LOL
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> Buy a D300 for WAY more money than a 40D? The two are MUCH more equal
> than the cost. LOL
12 versus 10 MP
bigger sensor (1.5 versus 1.6 crop)
much better LCD screen
GPS connection with just a cable, versus a 800.- WFT for Canon
HDMI interface
Flash system that runs circles around Canon
No separate date/time battery needed
Internal flash commander mode for wireless external flashes
Format with 2 buttons; no menu scrolling needed
Change flash options with two buttons, no menu needed.
and the list goes on.
You are right: they are exactly the same...
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 am
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> "Douglas" <cryptopix.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> "Jufi" <bowser.TakeThisOut@work.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Savant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I work with the Canon Mark II 1D and 1DS. Does anyone have any
>>>>> experience with the Mark III who can compare the differences? Thanks
>>>>> and please visit me at http://www.brsten.com
>>>>
>>>> I highly recommend the Mk III. I really enjoyed mine, but sold it in
>>>> favor
>>>> of the Nikon D3. The D3 is a better choice since you are getting
>>>> better
>>>> build quality, better lens system, and higher ISO performance with
>>>> sharper
>>>> images. All around the D3 is the better choice. Plus, should you
>>>> decide
>>>> you want a Mk III you can use your Nikkor lenses on it via an adapter.
>>>
>>> The D3? Sharper? Than what, a boxy old D60? Check this link:
>>>
>>> http://clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326811
>>>
>>> D3 isn't all it's cracked up to be, not hardly, and not worth the money.
>>
>> All that "test" proves is that the Canon adaptor was machined precisely
>> and like many attempts to make one before this "test", the Nikon adaptor
>> may not have been so precise.
>>
>> There is no mention from the "tester" about back focus calibration for
>> that lens. At best, this "test" highlights the need for precision
>> calibration BEFORE testing. You certainly couldn't rely in this sort of
>> test to make a judgment of which camera is sharper with a view to parting
>> with money to buy one or the other.
>
> Er, the lens was focused manualy (no AF) and the focus was checked using
> the live view of each camera magnified to the maximum of each body and
> triple checked by 3 different people, as Flip Wilson used to say WYSIWYG!
>
So Jean, you feel OK that a picture on an LCD screen some 60mm or so wide
with 3 guys looking at it is a good enough focus method for scientific
evaluation, do you?
Seriously Jean, The sheer number of working photographers who have quite
literally dumped their Canon gear and bought Nikon, must mean something or
do you think they are all wrong and this fellow right?
Before I made the move, I had a pre-release D3 for a couple of days. I did
some testing of my own and my results conflict entirely with what this
fellow gets. I don't agree with his assumption about the lens being an
equaller. and "live view" is not good enough for critical focus when
scientific evaluation is being done.
Given that the lens is an integral part of a camera system and ordinarily
cannot be exchanged around camera brands, I view his finding with a great
deal of suspicion. I'd be way more receptive to his tests if he'd used
makers best lenses instead of a telescope.
There is a company who's products I use with excellent results that
specialises in fixing lens faults during development of RAW images. Maybe if
you read what they have to say about lens faults, you might think
differently too. http://www.dxo.com/intl/image_quality
The bottom line for me is the Nikon D3 and D300 produce sharper, more
lifelike images with less noise and higher ISO availability than any Canon
camera in the same price range. All the other benefits of owning Nikon are
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 am
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:07 pm
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"Sosumi" <sosumi DeleteThis @home.nl> wrote in message
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> "Charles" <charlesschuler DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Sosumi" <sosumi DeleteThis @home.nl> wrote in message
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>>> Canon? C'mon! Are you into masochism, buy Canon.... LOL
>>
>> Buy a D300 for WAY more money than a 40D? The two are MUCH more equal
>> than the cost. LOL
>
> 12 versus 10 MP
> bigger sensor (1.5 versus 1.6 crop)
> much better LCD screen
> GPS connection with just a cable, versus a 800.- WFT for Canon
> HDMI interface
> Flash system that runs circles around Canon
> No separate date/time battery needed
> Internal flash commander mode for wireless external flashes
> Format with 2 buttons; no menu scrolling needed
> Change flash options with two buttons, no menu needed.
>
> and the list goes on.
Very underwhelming. Yawn.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:30 pm
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:42 pm
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"jean" <try_to DeleteThis @find.it> wrote:
>> I use Nikon gear. Soon enough Canon will come out with
>> a camera body that is better than the D3. I won't be
>> switching then any more than you are now! Soon enough
>> after that, Nikon will come out with another camera body
>> that beats the Canon. It will be a never ending cycle
>> (I hope), and we'll each buy at a peak in the cycle for
>> the brand we use. How could life get better?!
>
>Life would be better if people used their cameras to shoot pictures rather
>than shooting rifles, aside from that, life is good, enjoy it, I know I am.
People feed themselves shooting with rifles around here. It isn't
optional, assuming you don't want to starve to death...
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd DeleteThis @apaflo.com >> Stay informed about: Canon Mark II versus Canon Mark III |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:30 am
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> I use Nikon gear. Soon enough Canon will come out with
> a camera body that is better than the D3. I won't be
> switching then any more than you are now! Soon enough
> after that, Nikon will come out with another camera body
> that beats the Canon. It will be a never ending cycle
> (I hope), and we'll each buy at a peak in the cycle for
> the brand we use. How could life get better?!
Life would be better if people used their cameras to shoot pictures rather
than shooting rifles, aside from that, life is good, enjoy it, I know I am.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:30 am
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"jean" <try_to DeleteThis @find.it> wrote in message
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>> I use Nikon gear. Soon enough Canon will come out with
>> a camera body that is better than the D3. I won't be
>> switching then any more than you are now! Soon enough
>> after that, Nikon will come out with another camera body
>> that beats the Canon. It will be a never ending cycle
>> (I hope), and we'll each buy at a peak in the cycle for
>> the brand we use. How could life get better?!
>
> Life would be better if people used their cameras to shoot pictures rather
> than shooting rifles, aside from that, life is good, enjoy it, I know I
> am.
>
> Jean
>
>
That's right......It's called, "Free enterprise". And it will continue until
people like Ralph Nadir manage to stamp it out...... >> Stay informed about: Canon Mark II versus Canon Mark III |
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:09 am
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"Charles" <charlesschuler RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Charles" <charlesschuler RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Sosumi" <sosumi RemoveThis @home.nl> wrote in message
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>>> "Charles" <charlesschuler RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "Sosumi" <sosumi RemoveThis @home.nl> wrote in message
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>> I notice that you did not mention image quality, dynamic rage, etc.
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> As an example:
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> http://www.diwa-labs.com/photoalbum/view/?size=org&id=191587
> http://www.diwa-labs.com/photoalbum/view/?size=org&id=191662
I said: the list goes on.
As far as this site goes, who are they?
In another post their credibility is questionable at least.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:29 am
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"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd DeleteThis @apaflo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> "jean" <try_to DeleteThis @find.it> wrote:
>>> I use Nikon gear. Soon enough Canon will come out with
>>> a camera body that is better than the D3. I won't be
>>> switching then any more than you are now! Soon enough
>>> after that, Nikon will come out with another camera body
>>> that beats the Canon. It will be a never ending cycle
>>> (I hope), and we'll each buy at a peak in the cycle for
>>> the brand we use. How could life get better?!
>>
>>Life would be better if people used their cameras to shoot pictures rather
>>than shooting rifles, aside from that, life is good, enjoy it, I know I
>>am.
>
> People feed themselves shooting with rifles around here. It isn't
> optional, assuming you don't want to starve to death...
Aww, you know what I mean now don't you... and I think canibalism isn't
accepted in too many cultures.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:47 am
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"jean" <try_to DeleteThis @find.it> wrote:
>"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd DeleteThis @apaflo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>87zltk71yw.fld@apaflo.com...
>> "jean" <try_to DeleteThis @find.it> wrote:
>>>> I use Nikon gear. Soon enough Canon will come out with
>>>> a camera body that is better than the D3. I won't be
>>>> switching then any more than you are now! Soon enough
>>>> after that, Nikon will come out with another camera body
>>>> that beats the Canon. It will be a never ending cycle
>>>> (I hope), and we'll each buy at a peak in the cycle for
>>>> the brand we use. How could life get better?!
>>>
>>>Life would be better if people used their cameras to shoot pictures rather
>>>than shooting rifles, aside from that, life is good, enjoy it, I know I
>>>am.
>>
>> People feed themselves shooting with rifles around here. It isn't
>> optional, assuming you don't want to starve to death...
>
>Aww, you know what I mean now don't you... and I think canibalism isn't
>accepted in too many cultures.
I was discussing camera tests, you brought up rifles,
and now cannibalism??? Rest assured that I do *not* have
a clue what you mean...
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd DeleteThis @apaflo.com >> Stay informed about: Canon Mark II versus Canon Mark III |
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:50 am
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"Jufi" <bowser RemoveThis @work.com> wrote:
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>Sorry, that's one of the most unbiased tests out there, and it makes your
>gear look bad, and you're pissed about dumping a fortune on sub-standard
>gear.
The test was not even close to "unbiased". Moreover, in
the end it turned out showing exactly the opposite
results than originally claimed by the OP.
You do, however, have to read past the initial two weeks
of frothing to find the truth though.
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd RemoveThis @apaflo.com >> Stay informed about: Canon Mark II versus Canon Mark III |
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:58 am
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On Feb 27, 2:50 pm, "Sosumi" <sos....DeleteThis@home.nl> wrote:
> "Savant" <2....DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> >I work with the Canon Mark II 1D and 1DS. Does anyone have any
> > experience with the Mark III who can compare the differences? Thanks
> > and please visit me athttp://www.brucekersten.com
>
> Read this and start crying:
>
> http://photo.net/equipment/canon/1Ds_markIII/
>
> To sum it up:
> Difficult to find second curtain sync (must be set on the flash)
> No GPS, except with a 800.- WFT-E2A wireless file transmitter AND a separate
> GPS!
> No auto focus in Liveview mode
> Liveview degrades image quality
> Liveview heats the body so much, it can be permanently damaged (!)
> Compared to viewfinder, Liveview is 2-4 degrees out of whack
> So are the pictures
> Max ISO only 3200
> Only 5 fps
>
> Canon? C'mon! Are you into masochism, buy Canon.... LOL
>
> --
> Sosumi
Thanks for your input. Best regards
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:24 am
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"Douglas" <cryptopix.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Seriously Jean, The sheer number of working photographers who have quite
> literally dumped their Canon gear and bought Nikon, must mean something or
> do you think they are all wrong and this fellow right?
And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that you can't prove a GD thing you say,
just like the fat ass from Baltimore. Sheer number? How many? I'd love to
see something besides some bullshit anecdotal evidence.
Sorry, that's one of the most unbiased tests out there, and it makes your
gear look bad, and you're pissed about dumping a fortune on sub-standard
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:31 pm
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"Jufi" <bowser.DeleteThis@work.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> "Douglas" <cryptopix.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Seriously Jean, The sheer number of working photographers who have quite
>> literally dumped their Canon gear and bought Nikon, must mean something
>> or do you think they are all wrong and this fellow right?
>
> And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that you can't prove a GD thing you say,
> just like the fat ass from Baltimore. Sheer number? How many? I'd love to
> see something besides some bullshit anecdotal evidence.
>
> Sorry, that's one of the most unbiased tests out there, and it makes your
> gear look bad, and you're pissed about dumping a fortune on sub-standard
> gear.
Everyone knows a poll of 1000 people will yield a result very close to what
is obtained when millions are polled (re: elections). Now just go on PBase
and search by camera maker, very enlightening.
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