Canon Elph v Elph Jnr

I have both cameras, and I find there is no difference in distortion if I
keep the film plane parallel to the subject. The Elph Jr. lens is faster and
sharper, however. I have four of the Jr. models. I'll give you a good price
on one in mint shape if you want it.
Ken

"Denis Boisclair" <denis.DeleteThis@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > I recently bought a Canon Elph/Ixus on Ebay and have received the
 > first batch of prints(9"x5") from the processor: I used Agfa Futura II
 > film.
 >
 > The prints are sharp and the portraits among them are
 > excellent:landscape type scenes are fine too - but in some shots which
 > include buildings, taken at wide angle, there is considerable
 > distortion with the verticals leaning 'all over the place"! There are
 > other scenes though where this problem hasn't arisen and I'm still
 > trying to work out why!
 >
 > I am tempted to buy an Elph Junr./Ixus L1 on Ebay and I would be
 > interested to hear from users of this camera whether these distortions
 > I have are likely to be absent.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hi,

Your problem with (tall?) buildings sounds like simple laws of optics. Wih
a wide angle lens, and the camera tilted upwards, there will be some
convergence in the prints. This is is not a lens error or lens distortion.
The top 35mm. SLR makers have a lens called "shift" which partially
corrects this, but they are expensive, heavy, and difficult to use. The
cure is, if possible, to take the pictures from a greater distance with a
normal or telephoto setting.

Good luck.

Morton

Denis Boisclair wrote:

 > I recently bought a Canon Elph/Ixus on Ebay and have received the
 > first batch of prints(9"x5") from the processor: I used Agfa Futura II
 > film.
 >
 > The prints are sharp and the portraits among them are
 > excellent:landscape type scenes are fine too - but in some shots which
 > include buildings, taken at wide angle, there is considerable
 > distortion with the verticals leaning 'all over the place"! There are
 > other scenes though where this problem hasn't arisen and I'm still
 > trying to work out why!
 >
 > I am tempted to buy an Elph Junr./Ixus L1 on Ebay and I would be
 > interested to hear from users of this camera whether these distortions
 > I have are likely to be absent.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Many thanks DaveT,Ken and Morton - for all the interesting and helpful
replies.

On looking through the prints again it is interesting that( bearing in
mind your comments (a)about keeping the film plane parallel to the
subject and(b)"The cure is, if possible, to take the pictures from a
greater distance with a normal or telephoto setting" shots of this
type are OK.

My conclusion from this first batch of photos is that most are very
good - particularly the telephoto portrait type shots of my wife(by a
window using fill in flash) - these are quite as good as any I have
ever taken with far more expensive cameras - including my present
Canon IX SLR

Where there are photos that have problems these can be avoided in the
future in the light of this 'trial run' experience and your advice.

I am surprised at the very negative comments made by users of the Elph
in 'Photography Review' and I can't understand how they managed to
achieve such bad results. Red Eye was mentioned as a problem - but
this didn't occur in the portraits I have mentioned.

The build quality is outstanding in the Elph - on this subject I would
like to ask DaveT and Ken how the Elph II and Junior compare: they
certainly have the advantage of a fixed flash unit which overcomes the
problem of the Elph where so often(including mine!) the flash fails to
retract fully.

Regards -

Denis

PS Not all UK aps processors offer 9" x5" 'H' prints - are these
available in the US?



denis.DeleteThis@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk (Denis Boisclair) wrote in message news:<630c0340.0306270555.ff4d015.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
 > I recently bought a Canon Elph/Ixus on Ebay and have received the
 > first batch of prints(9"x5") from the processor: I used Agfa Futura II
 > film ....................<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Canon Elph v Elph Jnr 

On 28 Jun 2003 06:20:03 -0700, denis.TakeThisOut@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk (Denis
Boisclair) wrote:

 >The build quality is outstanding in the Elph - on this subject I would
 >like to ask DaveT and Ken how the Elph II and Junior compare: they
 >certainly have the advantage of a fixed flash unit which overcomes the
 >problem of the Elph where so often(including mine!) the flash fails to
 >retract fully.

Well, I've no plain Elph experience, the Elph Junior is a plastic
body. I carry mine in a belt pouch and have taken hundreds of
pictures with it, including two weeks of heavy use overseas. I 've
had it about two years and it still looks like new. The Elph 2 is a
stainless steel case. My wife has had hers about three years and it's
still in good shape.

Occasionally when the Junior has sat empty for a long period (month or
more), I've gotten an error on loading a film. Removing the battery
and replacing it (power-up reset) has fixed it. The Elph 2 had a
problem with a little rubber strip that forms "buttons" (at the back
bottom edge of the case) shifting and malfunctioning. I successfully
teased it back into place with a needle. Someone on this forum a year
or so back actually took the back off his Elph 2 to fix it.
Apparently it was remarkably straight-forward with no springs flying
across the room, etc.
....
 >
 >PS Not all UK aps processors offer 9" x5" 'H' prints - are these
 >available in the US?

The usual output here is 4 x X inches (X= 6,7,10 or so) as standard
processing; you can get enlargements, but I usually shoot the 'C'
format to see if anybody can tell them from my 35mm prints!

DaveT<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hi Denis,

In the USA, standard H prints are 4 x 7", which is what I usually order.

Regards,

Morton



Denis Boisclair wrote:

 > Many thanks DaveT,Ken and Morton - for all the interesting and helpful
 > replies.
 >
 > On looking through the prints again it is interesting that( bearing in
 > mind your comments (a)about keeping the film plane parallel to the
 > subject and(b)"The cure is, if possible, to take the pictures from a
 > greater distance with a normal or telephoto setting" shots of this
 > type are OK.
 >
 > My conclusion from this first batch of photos is that most are very
 > good - particularly the telephoto portrait type shots of my wife(by a
 > window using fill in flash) - these are quite as good as any I have
 > ever taken with far more expensive cameras - including my present
 > Canon IX SLR
 >
 > Where there are photos that have problems these can be avoided in the
 > future in the light of this 'trial run' experience and your advice.
 >
 > I am surprised at the very negative comments made by users of the Elph
 > in 'Photography Review' and I can't understand how they managed to
 > achieve such bad results. Red Eye was mentioned as a problem - but
 > this didn't occur in the portraits I have mentioned.
 >
 > The build quality is outstanding in the Elph - on this subject I would
 > like to ask DaveT and Ken how the Elph II and Junior compare: they
 > certainly have the advantage of a fixed flash unit which overcomes the
 > problem of the Elph where so often(including mine!) the flash fails to
 > retract fully.
 >
 > Regards -
 >
 > Denis
 >
 > PS Not all UK aps processors offer 9" x5" 'H' prints - are these
 > available in the US?
 >
 > denis.DeleteThis@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk (Denis Boisclair) wrote in message news:<630c0340.0306270555.ff4d015.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
  > > I recently bought a Canon Elph/Ixus on Ebay and have received the
  > > first batch of prints(9"x5") from the processor: I used Agfa Futura II
  > > film ....................<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Canon Elph v Elph Jnr 

Morton Linder <mort DeleteThis @cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3EFE4986.97CED335 DeleteThis @cloud9.net>...
 > Hi Denis,
 >
 > In the USA, standard H prints are 4 x 7", which is what I usually order.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Morton

Hi Morton -

The same applies generally in the UK - but a few labs that I found on
the internet, offer as part of their mail order service an option to
have 5" prints - in some cases 8.75"X 5" - a small number - like the
one I am using, print them as 9"X 5".

This gives a photo which has a lot of impact!

Regards -

Denis<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I had the original ELPH in 1997 and loved it, but it was stolen and I
replaced it with the Junior. The lack of zoom lens isn't much of a problem
since the zoom on the ELPH is only 2:1 and not much of an issue. The Jr has
a faster, sharper lens. Back when 100 speed film was readily available for
APS it meant you could take pictures other than beach on 100 which was a
good, sharp film. More important now, you can take available light indoor
pictures with 400 (and especially Fuji 800) with the Junior and get really
good pictures. I use my Olympus OM2 more (35mm) and my Pentax 6x7 for
landscapes, but i love the little ELPH jr just to have in my pocket. Even up
to 8x10 its pictures are fine.
--
Michael Weinstein | "Never underestimate the power of stupid
Nashua, NH | people in large groups."

 > From: DaveT <103160.1600.TakeThisOut@compewsurv.invalid>
 > Organization: Assoc. of Downsized & Downtrodden
 > Reply-To: nobody.TakeThisOut@compuspam.com
 > Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.aps
 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:35:40 -0400
 > Subject: Re: Canon Elph v Elph Jnr
 >
 > On 27 Jun 2003 06:55:01 -0700, denis.TakeThisOut@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk (Denis
 > Boisclair) wrote:
 >
  >> I recently bought a Canon Elph/Ixus on Ebay and have received the
  >> first batch of prints(9"x5") from the processor: I used Agfa Futura II
  >> film.
  >>
  >> The prints are sharp and the portraits among them are
  >> excellent:landscape type scenes are fine too - but in some shots which
  >> include buildings, taken at wide angle, there is considerable
  >> distortion with the verticals leaning 'all over the place"! There are
  >> other scenes though where this problem hasn't arisen and I'm still
  >> trying to work out why!
  >>
  >> I am tempted to buy an Elph Junr./Ixus L1 on Ebay and I would be
  >> interested to hear from users of this camera whether these distortions
  >> I have are likely to be absent.
  >>
  >> Denis Boisclair
  >> Cheshire, UK
 >
 > "Leaning all over the place" doesn't sound quite right. With building
 > shots, for example, I would expect to see "keystoning" which occurs
 > when the film plane is not parallel with the vertical objects. It
 > will happen with any lens, but is probably most noticeable with short
 > focal lengths. If the camera has been tilted upward to get the tops
 > of buildings or other vertical objects into the frame, the stuff
 > should all appear to lean toward the center.
 >
 > My wife has an Elph 2 and I have a Junior as a secondary camera, I
 > haven't noticed any unusual distortions, but we use them mostly for
 > travel landscapes and family snapshots. The Junior gives up mid-roll
 > change and zoom, but is a heck of camera. The lens is faster and
 > sharper than the zooms and has produced amazingly good results under
 > fairly adverse lighting conditions. I've considered trying to pick up
 > a second one for backup, since it's no longer made and I don't see
 > anything that looks like an equivalent.
 >
 > DaveT<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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