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denis

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 6:21 am
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The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
£6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
film the charge is £5.

It seems to me that (combined with using them for prints in the usual
way) the transfer of negatives to CD opens up some enormous
possibilities and that this can 'trump' digital photos,as in many ways
it offers the best of both worlds.

My impression is that even the best digital cameras still struggle to
produce images equal to film and that the photo CD images can - if
necessary - be edited just like digital before reprinting in an
improved form. They can also of course,just as easily be sent by email
to friends and relatives.

I realise that for transferring negatives on a large scale it would
probably be more cost effective to buy a scanner(but a good one is
expensive!) and do the work at home - but at this experimental stage I
will prefer to use the lab.

I will be interested to hear from subscribers who have already
followed this path and whether they agree that this is a very
effective answer to digital photography - apart from not offering
instant results.

Denis Boisclair

Cheshire, UK

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 9:09 am
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I work with both a digital camera and with scanned film. A full-frame
APS image, scanned at 2820 ppi with a Minolta Scan Dual II, results in
a 6.2 Mpixel image to work with where the Sony F717 full resolution
image is 4.7 Mpixels.

The differences are always immediately apparent. The scanned APS image
at full resolution has greater tonal depth (12bits per channel vs the
Sony's 8bits per channel), but the digital camera's image has less
noise (no grain) and appears sharper due to lack of aliasing losses,
all else being equal. I find I can make a larger print of equal quality
from the digital camera image because with the lack of grain and
aliasing I can print it at a lower resolution.

Both are viable paths to good prints. Use the APS camera for where it
has strengths (responsiveness and tonal qualities) and the digital
camera where it has strengths (sharpness, convenience, etc).

Godfrey

In article <630c0340.0307010221.79b45613.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>, Denis
Boisclair <denis.RemoveThis@boisclair.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

 > The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
 > offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
 > slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
 > £6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
 > image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
 > film the charge is £5.
 >
 > It seems to me that (combined with using them for prints in the usual
 > way) the transfer of negatives to CD opens up some enormous
 > possibilities and that this can 'trump' digital photos,as in many ways
 > it offers the best of both worlds.
 >
 > My impression is that even the best digital cameras still struggle to
 > produce images equal to film and that the photo CD images can - if
 > necessary - be edited just like digital before reprinting in an
 > improved form. They can also of course,just as easily be sent by email
 > to friends and relatives.
 >
 > I realise that for transferring negatives on a large scale it would
 > probably be more cost effective to buy a scanner(but a good one is
 > expensive!) and do the work at home - but at this experimental stage I
 > will prefer to use the lab.
 >
 > I will be interested to hear from subscribers who have already
 > followed this path and whether they agree that this is a very
 > effective answer to digital photography - apart from not offering
 > instant results.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 >
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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fvt2112

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:09 am
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That seems like a reasonable fee for a CD and the file size is right
up there with what I get with my Dimage Scan Elite II. Also it is
saving you the time of scanning them yourself. Not that Scanning APS
is all that bad as you just load it up and walk away.....hoping for no
Windows errors that is.

Minolta makes a Dimage Scan Dual III that runs less than $300 here in
the USA (not sure of the price in the UK) Assuming an equivalent
price, you can pay to have around 60 rolls scanned at your lab to
equal the price of the scanner. Depends on how much you shoot your
APS.

I now use my EOS IX instead of the Dimage 7 (that I sold) as my
digital alternative. For me to have a camera that responds like the
EOS IX is far better than instant results but slugish performance of
the Dimage 7. However, I did buy a Minolta S414 for snapshots where I
needed quick results or did not feel that the subject warranted the
cost of film or my time in scanning.


Valder



denis DeleteThis @boisclair.freeserve.co.uk (Denis Boisclair) wrote in message news:<630c0340.0307010221.79b45613 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
 > The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
 > offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
 > slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
 > £6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
 > image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
 > film the charge is £5.
 >
 > It seems to me that (combined with using them for prints in the usual
 > way) the transfer of negatives to CD opens up some enormous
 > possibilities and that this can 'trump' digital photos,as in many ways
 > it offers the best of both worlds.
 >
 > My impression is that even the best digital cameras still struggle to
 > produce images equal to film and that the photo CD images can - if
 > necessary - be edited just like digital before reprinting in an
 > improved form. They can also of course,just as easily be sent by email
 > to friends and relatives.
 >
 > I realise that for transferring negatives on a large scale it would
 > probably be more cost effective to buy a scanner(but a good one is
 > expensive!) and do the work at home - but at this experimental stage I
 > will prefer to use the lab.
 >
 > I will be interested to hear from subscribers who have already
 > followed this path and whether they agree that this is a very
 > effective answer to digital photography - apart from not offering
 > instant results.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 >
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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dougcutler

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:23 am
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Hi,
I did a similar thing for a while. My objection was that the transferred
images were JPG's, i.e. there was already a quality loss. It was a useful
learning experience but I broke down and bough a film scanner and now am
more than satisfied.
Doug.

"Denis Boisclair" <denis DeleteThis @boisclair.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
 > offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
 > slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
 > £6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
 > image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
 > film the charge is £5.
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denis

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:32 pm
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Hi Doug -

Thanks to yourself and everyone else for their useful replies.

On the particular point concerning quality loss from the transfer to
JPGs - the lab in question says that"Images are saved as TIFF files
but can be saved as standard or minimum compression JPEG's if
required"

Does that overcome the problem?

Denis


"Doug Cutler" <dougcutler.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<bdrr3i$pvo$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>...
 > Hi,
 > I did a similar thing for a while. My objection was that the transferred
 > images were JPG's, i.e. there was already a quality loss. It was a useful
 > learning experience but I broke down and bough a film scanner and now am
 > more than satisfied.
 > Doug.
 >
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mort1

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:02 am
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Hi,

Kodak USA used to have two kinds of CD-ROM service available for APS: a
high quality Photo-CD-ROM, and a low quality Picture-CD-R. The high
quality one was discontinued about a year ago due to lack of interest. The
available low quality one is good only for on-screen images, as even small
printouts have prominent grain. As I understand, the full frame APS
negative contains the equivalent of perhaps 3 or 4 MB. I have not done so,
but several members of this e-mail group scan APS negatives with excellent
results. Perhaps you can consult the recent past messages from this group.

Good luck.

Morton Linder

 > The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
 > offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
 > slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
 > £6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
 > image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
 > film the charge is £5.
 >
 > It seems to me that (combined with using them for prints in the usual
 > way) the transfer of negatives to CD opens up some enormous
 > possibilities and that this can 'trump' digital photos,as in many ways
 > it offers the best of both worlds.
 >
 > My impression is that even the best digital cameras still struggle to
 > produce images equal to film and that the photo CD images can - if
 > necessary - be edited just like digital before reprinting in an
 > improved form. They can also of course,just as easily be sent by email
 > to friends and relatives.
 >
 > I realise that for transferring negatives on a large scale it would
 > probably be more cost effective to buy a scanner(but a good one is
 > expensive!) and do the work at home - but at this experimental stage I
 > will prefer to use the lab.
 >
 > I will be interested to hear from subscribers who have already
 > followed this path and whether they agree that this is a very
 > effective answer to digital photography - apart from not offering
 > instant results.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 >
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:23 am
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Hi Denis,
I have gone the route you are describing. After starting with having
selections of images scanned to Kodak-Photo CD, i decided to buy the
Canon4000US scanner about 1 year ago and am perfectly happy with it. The
resolution is unsurpassed at 4000 dpi. For APS format this comes down to a
4424 x 2458 pixels. Some people at this group have commented that this
scanner is cutting something of the edges, but in practice i have not even
noticed it. Besides, at that resolution, it is also good practice to do some
cropping for better composition. I use PSP7 while scanning, and the nice
thing is that you can scan a 40 images APS film in one batch. Do it
overnight and save the pictures the next day. It may seem a lengthy
procedure when you have to save each individual image from an application
like PSP, but with the help of a Windows Macro recorder that automates the
repetive tasks, it works quite handy. As a TIF-file for images scanned at 24
bit, it comes down to a size of 25-30 Mb per image (roughly the number of
pixels multiplied by 3 for there are 3 color channels). You can even scan at
42 bit, but the human eye is not really very capable of making that
distinction between 24 bit and 42 bit results. I find it indeed a very
effective way of working digital, while maintaining the advantages of a
APS-SLR camera with excellent quality results,
cheers,
JH

"Denis Boisclair" <denis RemoveThis @boisclair.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:630c0340.0307010221.79b45613@posting.google.com...
 > The processing lab from whom I obtain(via mail order)my aps photos,
 > offers a Digital Service which includes the transfer of negatives(or
 > slides)to CD.For a whole 35mm/aps film they charge £4(about
 > £6.40)+process charge for either a High Resolution CD(18mb per
 > image)or a Medium Resolution CD(8mb per image). For already processed
 > film the charge is £5.
 >
 > It seems to me that (combined with using them for prints in the usual
 > way) the transfer of negatives to CD opens up some enormous
 > possibilities and that this can 'trump' digital photos,as in many ways
 > it offers the best of both worlds.
 >
 > My impression is that even the best digital cameras still struggle to
 > produce images equal to film and that the photo CD images can - if
 > necessary - be edited just like digital before reprinting in an
 > improved form. They can also of course,just as easily be sent by email
 > to friends and relatives.
 >
 > I realise that for transferring negatives on a large scale it would
 > probably be more cost effective to buy a scanner(but a good one is
 > expensive!) and do the work at home - but at this experimental stage I
 > will prefer to use the lab.
 >
 > I will be interested to hear from subscribers who have already
 > followed this path and whether they agree that this is a very
 > effective answer to digital photography - apart from not offering
 > instant results.
 >
 > Denis Boisclair
 >
 > Cheshire, UK<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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