BEHOLD THE POWER OF INFRARED !

"Annika1980" <annika1980.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112475/original
>
> It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> not visible and lost in the haze. But today was a clear day.
>
> Now look at the same scene taken with the Totally Infrared D60:
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112663/original
>
> The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.

Very impressive!

Neil
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On Jan 2, 3:25 pm, Annika1980 <annika1... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
> Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112475/original
>
> It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> not visible and lost in the haze. But today was a clear day.
>
> Now look at the same scene taken with the Totally Infrared D60:http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112663/original
>
> The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.

I like the second shot very much, but as Troy points out there is a
lot of dark foliage so it doesn't look very IR-ish...

The demo would have been better if it really was the same scene (it's
a different angle and different lighting). And I'm afraid that first
shot looks like a John Navas effort with the smudged foliage (yes, at
'original' size!).

We have a similar-ish valley scene near here (I'm thinking Mt
Tamborine, for the locals), so I might give this a go soon.. I
haven't done much IR, and this is an interesting observation.
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On Jan 1, 7:25 pm, Annika1980 <annika1....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.http://www.pbase..com/bret/image/91112475/original
>
> It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> not visible and lost in the haze.  But today was a clear day.
>
> Now look at the same scene taken with the Totally Infrared D60:http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112663/original
>
> The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.

Both photos are way under your normal standards. The first is very
soft and the seconds is pretty ugly, I am thinking jpeg artifacts.
And I would expect the second one to be ugly with it only using
something like 30KB for an image that size.

Scott
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On Jan 2, 1:24 am, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
> Scott W wrote:
> > Both photos are way under your normal standards.  The first is very
> > soft and the seconds is pretty ugly, I am thinking jpeg artifacts.
> > And I would expect the second one to be ugly with it only using
> > something like 30KB for an image that size.
>
> I have to disagree, Scott.  The first one demonstrate the power of the
> mighty 17-40/4.  The sharpness and magnificent detail jumps out at you.
> Even the bokeh is beyond stunning.  The composition and execution of this
> shot demonstrates the level of quality one gets when time is given to zoom
> with your feet.  And the second one, WOW!  I have to agree with Helen.  This
> is his best work yet.  As difficult as it is, I think Bret pulled it off and
> emulated Uncle Floyd's style perfectly.

The second one does look like something Floyd would post, I have come
to expect much better from Bret.

Scott
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On Jan 2, 4:13 am, Troy Piggins <usenet-0....DeleteThis@piggo.com> wrote:
> * Annika1980 is quoted & my replies are inline below :
>
> > Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.
> >http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112475/original
>
> > It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> > not visible and lost in the haze.  But today was a clear day.
>
> > Now look at the same scene taken with the Totally Infrared D60:
> >http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112663/original
>
> > The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> > Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.
>
> The mountains certainly do jump out in that second pic, but it
> looks painted/rendered/processed in some other way.  Is it?  I
> thought trees/leaves should be more white or something.
>
> --
> Troy Piggins
> Please feel free to provide constructive criticism on any photos I post.  I'm
> always learning and appreciate feedback.


When I shot with IR film, the real white foliage only showed up in
direct and harsh sunlight. It was always the norm to see high
contrast...going from really white to very black.
I love that lens!
Helen
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On Jan 2, 9:43 pm, Troy Piggins <usenet-0....RemoveThis@piggo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 3:25 pm, Annika1980 <annika1....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112475/original
> >> It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> >> not visible and lost in the haze. But today was a clear day.
> .....
> The weather isn't very good for landscapes at the moment
> And it doesn't look like going away in a hurry according to the
> reports

Yes, isn't it wonderful? (oh, er..sorry to all those people who were
looking for a nice soak-up-the-sun holiday.. - for some of us it is
wonderful to see all this rain!)

Anyway, I suspect IR is not quite so effective at cutting thru clouds,
fog and rain.. so you're right, there may be a bit of a delay!
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* Annika1980 is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> Here's a rather boring shot I took off the mountain today.
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112475/original
>
> It is notable only because the mountains in the distance are usually
> not visible and lost in the haze. But today was a clear day.
>
> Now look at the same scene taken with the Totally Infrared D60:
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/91112663/original
>
> The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.

The mountains certainly do jump out in that second pic, but it
looks painted/rendered/processed in some other way. Is it? I
thought trees/leaves should be more white or something.

--
Troy Piggins
Please feel free to provide constructive criticism on any photos I post. I'm
always learning and appreciate feedback.
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On Jan 2, 6:40 am, Scott W <biph....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 1:24 am, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Scott W wrote:
> > > Both photos are way under your normal standards.  The first is very
> > > soft and the seconds is pretty ugly, I am thinking jpeg artifacts.
> > > And I would expect the second one to be ugly with it only using
> > > something like 30KB for an image that size.
>
> > I have to disagree, Scott.  The first one demonstrate the power of the
> > mighty 17-40/4.  The sharpness and magnificent detail jumps out at you..
> > Even the bokeh is beyond stunning.  The composition and execution of this
> > shot demonstrates the level of quality one gets when time is given to zoom
> > with your feet.  And the second one, WOW!  I have to agree with Helen.  This
> > is his best work yet.  As difficult as it is, I think Bret pulled it off and
> > emulated Uncle Floyd's style perfectly.
>
> The second one does look like something Floyd would post, I have come
> to expect much better from Bret.
>
> Scott


I disagree. I think his IR pic has a very dramatic feeling to it. It
resonates.

Check out some of Ansel Adams b&w work. Other than using IR, I see a
similarity :

http://www.andrewsmithgallery.com/images/misc/ansel_adams.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/3/37/300px...ams_The

http://www.coxsoft.com/screensaver/images/ansel-adams-photographs.jpg

Helen
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On Jan 2, 6:06 am, Scott W <biph....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The mountains in the distance seem to jump out at ya.
> > Infrared is great for cutting through smoke and haze.
>
> Both photos are way under your normal standards.  The first is very
> soft and the seconds is pretty ugly, I am thinking jpeg artifacts.
> And I would expect the second one to be ugly with it only using
> something like 30KB for an image that size.
>

Now let's finish off the category ... I'll take "MISS THE POINT" for
$1000, Alex.
Now let's go see if Rita has chimed in with some stupid comment about
the bokeh or the composition.....
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On Jan 2, 6:24 am, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
>  The sharpness and magnificent detail jumps out at you.
> Even the bokeh is beyond stunning.  The composition and execution of this
> shot demonstrates the level of quality one gets when time is given to zoom
> with your feet.  

Ah, right on time!
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On Jan 2, 6:40 am, Scott W <biph... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The second one does look like something Floyd would post, I have come
> to expect much better from Bret.


I could post a test pic of a Gretag-MacBeth Colorchecker chart and
some of you would bitch about the composition.

Geez, it was a simple comparison to show how infrared cuts through
haze.
I ain't submitting it to Lenswork or framing it for a Fine Art
Exhibition.
I'll bet if I measured it real close I'd find the horizon line was a
few fractions of a degree off of level as well.
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On Jan 2, 5:15 am, Annika1980 <annika1... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 6:40 am, Scott W <biph... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The second one does look like something Floyd would post, I have come
> > to expect much better from Bret.
>
> I could post a test pic of a Gretag-MacBeth Colorchecker chart and
> some of you would bitch about the composition.
>
> Geez, it was a simple comparison to show how infrared cuts through
> haze.
> I ain't submitting it to Lenswork or framing it for a Fine Art
> Exhibition.
> I'll bet if I measured it real close I'd find the horizon line was a
> few fractions of a degree off of level as well.

I looked again at the IR photo, I thought it has used only 31KB but
saw at a second look that it was taking up 313KB. And yet I see huge
artifacts that look just like jpeg artifacts, what happened to that
image to make it look so bad? The edge between the mountain and the
sky is total fuzz, look just like jpeg artifacts.

Scott
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