Alcatraz Island with the Panasonic FZ8

On 2/21/08 5:44 AM, in article 5doqr3t7k1pebnv460v3ninckghdkion6s DeleteThis @4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
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>> Full resolution:
>> <http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>
> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
So artificially fixed that I expected to see Nemo jump out of the water.
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On 2008-02-21, David J. Littleboy <davidjl DeleteThis @gol.com> wrote:
>
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
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>>
>>>Full resolution:
>>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
> That's a lot better. The first one was seriously bad at full res.

They look exactly identical to me.

> The sky color and water color aren't my cup of tea, but it is a nice shot.

Never mind the colour, what about complete lack of any real world
detail?

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:44:51 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
><qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
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>>Full resolution:
>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>
>Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
><http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>

Here's my take on it: It's not bad for a little P&S camera. My old
Canon S400 could have done the same, maybe even slightly better. I
keep it in the car with me all the time in case an opportunity pops up
for a photo.

But if I know I'm going somewhere like Alcatraz and am going to have
the opportunity to get some good shots, I'd be very upset with myself
for being in the right place at the right time (as you obviously were
to get a nicely lit shot like that) but not have the right tool to
capture it properly. The camera/lens I'd have had there would at
least have been able to capture that sign on the right well enough to
read. It probably says something like "Warning - No anchoring here"
and some other stuff. But we'll never know from that picture.

And if it could capture the lettering on that sign, the entire picture
would look a lot better.

Steve
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:34:22 GMT, Steve <steve.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in
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>... The camera/lens I'd have had there would at
>least have been able to capture that sign on the right well enough to
>read. It probably says something like "Warning - No anchoring here"
>and some other stuff. But we'll never know from that picture.
>
>And if it could capture the lettering on that sign, the entire picture
>would look a lot better.

There's simply not sufficient resolution to capture that sign clearly --
it's only 40x40 overall, and individual letters are about 4x2. To be
able to capture the lettering clearly, I would have had to make a much
higher res pano. (I toyed with the pano idea briefly, but just didn't
have enough time.) Here's a much larger image of the sign:
<http://www.yoduden.com/albums/San-Francisco/Alcatraz_warning_sign.jpg>

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John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
[]
>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>
>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>
> Thanks for the kind words.
> Not advertising.
> The image prints very well at 11x14.

John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
posted it for comment.

Indeed, the eye is very forgiving, and doubtless viewed at a "normal"
viewing distance a print would be acceptable.

Cheers,
David
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:25:02 GMT, "David J Taylor"
<david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote in
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
>[]
>>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>>
>>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words.
>> Not advertising.
>> The image prints very well at 11x14.

That last refers to the image I posted later -- the first image was a
workflow experiment that got uploaded by mistake.

>John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
>posted it for comment.

I actually posted it just for interest (saying nothing about comments),
primarily because I thought both the lighting and cloud formation were
notable. Technical criticism was your idea. But no offense taken.
I was really just observing how all the feedback here (speaking in
general, not about you in particular) has been technical nitpicking, in
part from apparent anti-compact camera bias, in part simply way off the
mark (as in the case of the sign lettering -- when you discover a camera
and lens that can render letters clearly in a 4x2 cell let me know and
I'll snap it up:) Real photo critique (subject, composition, framing,
lighting, etc.) or assessment was nonexistent.

>Indeed, the eye is very forgiving, and doubtless viewed at a "normal"
>viewing distance a print would be acceptable.

My own eyes aren't all that forgiving, and the print is actually very
good, even at inspection distance.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:21:24 GMT, JT's Ghost
<justatroll.TakeThisOut@mad.scientist.com> wrote in <8yhvj.15602$MY2.3149@trndny07>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>likes the second image better than the first...

Me too.

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On 2/21/08 10:23 AM, in article bh8rr397is7chuc8d2mdga7beg0ps603th.RemoveThis@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1.RemoveThis@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:25:02 GMT, "David J Taylor"
> <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote in
> <iJgvj.10971$XI.475@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
>> []
>>>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>>>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>>>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>>>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>>>
>>>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>> Not advertising.
>>> The image prints very well at 11x14.
>
> That last refers to the image I posted later -- the first image was a
> workflow experiment that got uploaded by mistake.
>
>> John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
>> posted it for comment.
>
> I actually posted it just for interest (saying nothing about comments),
> primarily because I thought both the lighting and cloud formation were
> notable. Technical criticism was your idea. But no offense taken.
> I was really just observing how all the feedback here (speaking in
> general, not about you in particular) has been technical nitpicking, in
> part from apparent anti-compact camera bias, in part simply way off the
> mark (as in the case of the sign lettering -- when you discover a camera
> and lens that can render letters clearly in a 4x2 cell let me know and
> I'll snap it up:) Real photo critique (subject, composition, framing,
> lighting, etc.) or assessment was nonexistent.
>
Are you trying to tell us that the cu of the sign is cropped from the
Disneyland-like overall capture? Come on!
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"John Navas" <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote in
> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>:
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> >Full resolution:
> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>
> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>

Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of the
page and there is a big white box which says:
img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes me
wonder why I can't see the picture.

Mary
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Your not missing much.

"Mary" <non.DeleteThis@invalid.ddd> wrote in message news:fplmkm$grn$1@aioe.org...
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> news:5doqr3t7k1pebnv460v3ninckghdkion6s@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p.DeleteThis@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Full resolution:
>> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
> Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
> links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of
> the
> page and there is a big white box which says:
> img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
> small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
> also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes
> me
> wonder why I can't see the picture.
>
> Mary
>
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"Chris Savage" <spam.goes.here.TakeThisOut@devnull.savvo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2008-02-21, David J. Littleboy <davidjl.TakeThisOut@gol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Full resolution:
>>>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>>
>>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>>
>> That's a lot better. The first one was seriously bad at full res.
>
> They look exactly identical to me.
>
>> The sky color and water color aren't my cup of tea, but it is a nice
>> shot.
>
> Never mind the color, what about complete lack of any real world
> detail?

When I checked out the second link, it had a lot more detail. Now it's
looking ugly and the first one's gone. Maybe I was halucinating.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:29:34 -0500, "Mary" <non.DeleteThis@invalid.ddd> wrote in
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p.DeleteThis@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Full resolution:
>> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
>Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
>links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of the
>page and there is a big white box which says:
>img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
>small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
>also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes me
>wonder why I can't see the picture.

I just checked, and the image came in fine.
Perhaps there was a temporary server problem.

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Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
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