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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:28 pm
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| I need some advice on a compact camera. I have looked at some APS models
and some compact 35 mm models. Can someone point out the significant
differences or post a link or 2. I'm not sure which format would be best
for me. Thanks in advance.
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Norm <pocobuenoguy.DeleteThis@NOSPAMyahool.com> wrote:
> I need some advice on a compact camera. I have looked at some APS models
> and some compact 35 mm models. Can someone point out the significant
> differences or post a link or 2. I'm not sure which format would be best
> for me. Thanks in advance.
Since you describe yourself as an amateur looking for a compact camera,
I'd say go by the model of camera, not the film format. You've probably
noticed there's a greater number of 35mm than APS models, so
statistically, I'd guess you're more likely to end up with 35mm.
APS is 'supposed' to have three main advantages over 35mm which are:
(1) Simple film loading - drop in the APS cassette, shut the hatch and
the camera does the rest. However, loading 35mm film isn't exactly
rocket science and most modern 35mm cameras have automatic loading
anyhow.
(2) Three picture formats - APS cameras let you choose between 'HDTV',
'Classic' and 'Panoramic' formats. Unfortunately, this is really a
gimmick since the image recorded on the film is exactly the same (HDTV)
whatever format you choose. It gets cropped during printing if you
choose the others. Obviously, you can just as easily get your full frame
prints blown up and them crop them to any format you want in 35mm just
as easily as APS. That's what I do.
(3) Improved Print Quality - the APS film has a magnetic layer on which
the camera can record info about how each exposure was made. This info
can be used by auto printing machines to optimise the settings for each
print. In 5 years of shooting APS I can't say I've noticed that minilab
prints from APS are on average better than from 35mm. And if you want
the best possible prints from your negatives (APS or 35mm), you get them
hand-made by a person who knows what they're doing and actually LOOKS at
your negatives.
Conversely, 35mm also has advantages over APS:
Image size - the image on the film is a bit bigger in 35mm than APS, so
35mm will have the edge in final image quality, all other things being
equal.
Choice of film types - 35mm has probably a wider choice of film types
available than any other format. There are some good APS films, but the
overall range available is quite limited.
Running costs - APS films cost more than comparable 35mm films. APS
processing costs are also more than for 35mm.
Flexibility - If you like doing your own processing or darkroom work,
APS is not going to be your friend, while 35mm can be fun.
All that said, if the camera you like best is an APS camera, go for it.
The system works well and can give very good results. Straightforward,
trouble-free photography is what it's all about.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:33 am
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Anna Nimotti wrote:
> Norm <pocobuenoguy.RemoveThis@NOSPAMyahool.com> wrote:
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>>I need some advice on a compact camera. I have looked at some APS models
>>and some compact 35 mm models. Can someone point out the significant
>>differences or post a link or 2. I'm not sure which format would be best
>>for me. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Since you describe yourself as an amateur looking for a compact camera,
> I'd say go by the model of camera, not the film format. You've probably
> noticed there's a greater number of 35mm than APS models, so
> statistically, I'd guess you're more likely to end up with 35mm.
>
> APS is 'supposed' to have three main advantages over 35mm which are:
>
> (1) Simple film loading - drop in the APS cassette, shut the hatch and
> the camera does the rest. However, loading 35mm film isn't exactly
> rocket science and most modern 35mm cameras have automatic loading
> anyhow.
Not quite as easy or fool proof since the leader has to be of a certain
length and laid carefully in place.
>
> (2) Three picture formats - APS cameras let you choose between 'HDTV',
> 'Classic' and 'Panoramic' formats. Unfortunately, this is really a
> gimmick since the image recorded on the film is exactly the same (HDTV)
> whatever format you choose. It gets cropped during printing if you
> choose the others. Obviously, you can just as easily get your full frame
> prints blown up and them crop them to any format you want in 35mm just
> as easily as APS. That's what I do.
It costs extra on 35 mm for this and requires special communication with
the developer. And you can't see ahead of time what you are doing. APS
makes this automatic and for more processors a free alternative.
>
> (3) Improved Print Quality - the APS film has a magnetic layer on which
> the camera can record info about how each exposure was made. This info
> can be used by auto printing machines to optimise the settings for each
> print. In 5 years of shooting APS I can't say I've noticed that minilab
> prints from APS are on average better than from 35mm. And if you want
> the best possible prints from your negatives (APS or 35mm), you get them
> hand-made by a person who knows what they're doing and actually LOOKS at
> your negatives.
(4) Don't overlook the cannister. The film remains in the cannister
which makes storage easier and reprints are much simpler using the
sample index photo (another free feature) and identifying the number you
want. I find reprints to be a major advantage for my wife.
(5) Everything is backprinted with the date the image was shot and some
include exposure data and data to tie back to the cannister. Can be very
useful when you are sorting through stuff.
>
> Conversely, 35mm also has advantages over APS:
>
> Image size - the image on the film is a bit bigger in 35mm than APS, so
> 35mm will have the edge in final image quality, all other things being
> equal.
>
> Choice of film types - 35mm has probably a wider choice of film types
> available than any other format. There are some good APS films, but the
> overall range available is quite limited.
>
> Running costs - APS films cost more than comparable 35mm films. APS
> processing costs are also more than for 35mm.
These days the differences in costs are getting smaller and smaller.
They are almost non-existent where I get my film developed.
>
> Flexibility - If you like doing your own processing or darkroom work,
> APS is not going to be your friend, while 35mm can be fun.
>
For black and white. Color home processing is pretty difficult for both
and certainly not for main stream home users.
Dale
> All that said, if the camera you like best is an APS camera, go for it.
> The system works well and can give very good results. Straightforward,
> trouble-free photography is what it's all about.
>
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There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the Contaflex
and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare on the
used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then switch to
100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made onto APS
film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7" print at the
minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide subjects
i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a disadvantage for
vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS (new-old-stock)
markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS gear
(mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
Norm wrote:
> I need some advice on a compact camera. I have looked at some APS models
> and some compact 35 mm models. Can someone point out the significant
> differences or post a link or 2. I'm not sure which format would be best
> for me. Thanks in advance.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:23 pm
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:17:56 -0800, Dale DePriest
<Dale.DeleteThis@gpsinformation.het> wrote:
> Anna Nimotti wrote:
>
> > Norm <pocobuenoguy.DeleteThis@NOSPAMyahool.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I need some advice on a compact camera. I have looked at some APS models
> >>and some compact 35 mm models. Can someone point out the significant
> >>differences or post a link or 2. I'm not sure which format would be best
> >>for me. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Since you describe yourself as an amateur looking for a compact camera,
> > I'd say go by the model of camera, not the film format. You've probably
> > noticed there's a greater number of 35mm than APS models, so
> > statistically, I'd guess you're more likely to end up with 35mm.
> >
> > APS is 'supposed' to have three main advantages over 35mm which are:
> >
> > (1) Simple film loading - drop in the APS cassette, shut the hatch and
> > the camera does the rest. However, loading 35mm film isn't exactly
> > rocket science and most modern 35mm cameras have automatic loading
> > anyhow.
>
> Not quite as easy or fool proof since the leader has to be of a certain
> length and laid carefully in place.
True, but unless you have some real problem with manual dexterity,
loading a 35mm camera is not challenging.
> > (2) Three picture formats - APS cameras let you choose between 'HDTV',
> > 'Classic' and 'Panoramic' formats. Unfortunately, this is really a
> > gimmick since the image recorded on the film is exactly the same (HDTV)
> > whatever format you choose. It gets cropped during printing if you
> > choose the others. Obviously, you can just as easily get your full frame
> > prints blown up and them crop them to any format you want in 35mm just
> > as easily as APS. That's what I do.
>
> It costs extra on 35 mm for this and requires special communication with
> the developer. And you can't see ahead of time what you are doing. APS
> makes this automatic and for more processors a free alternative.
All I can say is that in 5 years of shooting APS, I've never found
the alternative picture formats much use. I shoot full frame (HDTV)
all the time. If I want to crop, I get them printed large in full
frame and then crop with a cutter to exactly the format I want. OK,
that's not the cheapest way of doing things, but it does guarantee the
desired result.
> > (3) Improved Print Quality - the APS film has a magnetic layer on which
> > the camera can record info about how each exposure was made. This info
> > can be used by auto printing machines to optimise the settings for each
> > print. In 5 years of shooting APS I can't say I've noticed that minilab
> > prints from APS are on average better than from 35mm. And if you want
> > the best possible prints from your negatives (APS or 35mm), you get them
> > hand-made by a person who knows what they're doing and actually LOOKS at
> > your negatives.
>
> (4) Don't overlook the cannister. The film remains in the cannister
> which makes storage easier and reprints are much simpler using the
> sample index photo (another free feature) and identifying the number you
> want. I find reprints to be a major advantage for my wife.
It's true that ordering reprints is a little easier with APS, but it's
not really all that difficult with 35mm. In my experience, 'free'
index photos are now a regular feature of 35mm minilab processing.
> (5) Everything is backprinted with the date the image was shot and some
> include exposure data and data to tie back to the cannister. Can be very
> useful when you are sorting through stuff.
Some 35mm cameras can record the date and other data on the film too,
albeit with LEDs that actually write stuff at the edge of your images.
The magnetic layer IS the greatest technical advantage that APS has,
but how much gets printed on the back of your photos seems to vary
between minilabs.
> > Conversely, 35mm also has advantages over APS:
> >
> > Image size - the image on the film is a bit bigger in 35mm than APS, so
> > 35mm will have the edge in final image quality, all other things being
> > equal.
> >
> > Choice of film types - 35mm has probably a wider choice of film types
> > available than any other format. There are some good APS films, but the
> > overall range available is quite limited.
> >
> > Running costs - APS films cost more than comparable 35mm films. APS
> > processing costs are also more than for 35mm.
>
> These days the differences in costs are getting smaller and smaller.
> They are almost non-existent where I get my film developed.
You're lucky. Where I live (UK), APS processing costs have remained
consistently higher over the past 5 years.
> > Flexibility - If you like doing your own processing or darkroom work,
> > APS is not going to be your friend, while 35mm can be fun.
> >
>
> For black and white. Color home processing is pretty difficult for both
> and certainly not for main stream home users.
My point was that IF you want to do your own processing or darkroom
work, then 35mm is the way to go.
The original poster was looking for info on how to choose between APS
and 35mm, not specifically for reasons to go to APS, as I understood
it.
Hopefully, this discussion has been useful to him. Either way, unless
you've got some prior commitment to APS, I'd still say that the way to
choose a camera is on the features and price of the specific model
rather than deciding to go 35mm or AOS and then choosing on that
basis.
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:59 GMT, steven.sawyer.DeleteThis@banet.net wrote:
> There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
> 1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
> interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the Contaflex
> and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare on the
> used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then switch to
> 100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
> 2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made onto APS
> film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7" print at the
> minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide subjects
> i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a disadvantage for
> vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
>
> If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS (new-old-stock)
> markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS gear
> (mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
I'd agree that there are some very good deals to be had on used high
end APS cameras and the image quality to price ratio is higher than is
yet available from digital cameras.
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Thanks to all for the information. It is all very useful. The camera is
for my 17 yr old daughter. She likes the Canon Elph series. From the
advice given above I'll let her choose based on the features and price
(Christmas present).
Do you favor any brands over others? As I stated she likes the Elph but is
open to other choices. Of course, she is a 17 yr old and looks will play a
part in her choice<grin>. She isn't yet into any darkroom work. I guess if
she goes that route she will need to either use my Canon AE1 or get her own
camera. Good digital cameras are just a little out of our price range right
now.
Also, do you have a link or advice to help me locate some used and NOS
caches to peruse?
Norm
"Anna Nimotti" <woan DeleteThis @deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:59 GMT, steven.sawyer DeleteThis @banet.net wrote:
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> > There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
> > 1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
> > interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the
Contaflex
> > and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare on
the
> > used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then
switch to
> > 100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
>
> Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
> APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
> and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
> Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
>
> > 2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made onto
APS
> > film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7" print at
the
> > minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide
subjects
> > i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a disadvantage
for
> > vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
> >
> > If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS (new-old-stock)
> > markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS
gear
> > (mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
>
> I'd agree that there are some very good deals to be had on used high
> end APS cameras and the image quality to price ratio is higher than is
> yet available from digital cameras.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:32 am
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You might want to look at this Tiara. It originally listed at $569 and I'd
rate the images at about equal to my expensive Olympus XA-4s ("cult" 35mm)
cameras.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.heavenlycloseouts.com/product.asp?3=2119" target="_blank">http://www.heavenlycloseouts.com/product.asp?3=2119</a>
This fellow from the European Space Agency felt that Tiara performance
exceeded his well regarded Olympus Stylus:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~erikad/Themepages/Travel/Travel.html" target="_blank">http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~erikad/Themepages/Travel/Travel.html</a>
And hell, I just purchased almost 15ea of these as Christmas presents
yself - oftentimes paying more than the mentioned price 
I find good wide angle cameras to be the most useful. They are great for
candid "close in" people shots. My one gripe about this model is the motor
winder (not silent) - but that's true about just about everything out there
these days.
Otherwise - buy her the Ricoh GR-1 (35mm). The Minox GT-E is good too - but
few young people seem inclined to master it. If you buy an Elph (reputedly
also good), take a look at the Elph Jr.
"Norm" <pocobuenoguy.RemoveThis@NOSPAMyahool.com> wrote in message
news:3fcbd253@news.tisd.net...
> Thanks to all for the information. It is all very useful. The camera is
> for my 17 yr old daughter. She likes the Canon Elph series. From the
> advice given above I'll let her choose based on the features and price
> (Christmas present).
>
> Do you favor any brands over others? As I stated she likes the Elph but
is
> open to other choices. Of course, she is a 17 yr old and looks will play
a
> part in her choice<grin>. She isn't yet into any darkroom work. I guess
if
> she goes that route she will need to either use my Canon AE1 or get her
own
> camera. Good digital cameras are just a little out of our price range
right
> now.
>
> Also, do you have a link or advice to help me locate some used and NOS
> caches to peruse?
>
> Norm
>
> "Anna Nimotti" <woan.RemoveThis@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> news:r59msv0ib3fbknpdges38r1bqmrc521jva@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:59 GMT, steven.sawyer.RemoveThis@banet.net wrote:
> >
> > > There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
> > > 1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
> > > interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the
> Contaflex
> > > and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare on
> the
> > > used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then
> switch to
> > > 100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
> >
> > Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
> > APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
> > and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
> > Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
> >
> > > 2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made
onto
> APS
> > > film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7" print
at
> the
> > > minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide
> subjects
> > > i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a
disadvantage
> for
> > > vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
> > >
> > > If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS (new-old-stock)
> > > markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS
> gear
> > > (mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
> >
> > I'd agree that there are some very good deals to be had on used high
> > end APS cameras and the image quality to price ratio is higher than is
> > yet available from digital cameras.
> > --
> > a n n @ n i m o t t i . p o r t 5 . c o m
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:47 am
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Norm,
I don't know where you live, but here in NYC we have countless storefront camera
stores that have windows filled with discontinued models at reasonable prices.
I buy a lot on eBay, but I have to warn you that eBay can be hit or miss,
something you just have to accept when using eBay. Another technique is to
simply do a web search for a particular discontinued model - for instance Canon
EOS IX (or IX Lite), you will find dealers selling new in the box models, with
warranties for less than what they sold retail when they were in production.
Norm wrote:
> Thanks to all for the information. It is all very useful. The camera is
> for my 17 yr old daughter. She likes the Canon Elph series. From the
> advice given above I'll let her choose based on the features and price
> (Christmas present).
>
> Do you favor any brands over others? As I stated she likes the Elph but is
> open to other choices. Of course, she is a 17 yr old and looks will play a
> part in her choice<grin>. She isn't yet into any darkroom work. I guess if
> she goes that route she will need to either use my Canon AE1 or get her own
> camera. Good digital cameras are just a little out of our price range right
> now.
>
> Also, do you have a link or advice to help me locate some used and NOS
> caches to peruse?
>
> Norm
>
> "Anna Nimotti" <woan.RemoveThis@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> news:r59msv0ib3fbknpdges38r1bqmrc521jva@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:59 GMT, steven.sawyer.RemoveThis@banet.net wrote:
> >
> > > There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
> > > 1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
> > > interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the
> Contaflex
> > > and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare on
> the
> > > used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then
> switch to
> > > 100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
> >
> > Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
> > APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
> > and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
> > Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
> >
> > > 2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made onto
> APS
> > > film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7" print at
> the
> > > minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide
> subjects
> > > i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a disadvantage
> for
> > > vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
> > >
> > > If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS (new-old-stock)
> > > markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS
> gear
> > > (mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
> >
> > I'd agree that there are some very good deals to be had on used high
> > end APS cameras and the image quality to price ratio is higher than is
> > yet available from digital cameras.
> > --
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:51 am
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This is unfortunate. Contax is short-changing their customers by not providing
this feature. This is the #1 advantage of APS IMO, although with Fujifilm
discontinuing 100 speed film here in the US, it's becoming less of an advantage.
My ideal would be to have all speeds from Impresa 50 to Fuji Press 1600 available
in APS, then this mid-roll feature could be fully exploited.
Anna Nimotti wrote:
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> Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
> APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
> and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
> Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:12 am
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I live so far out in the sticks that we're lucky to have indoor plumbing:-)
I had to drive 3 hours to get my AE1 serviced by a professional in San
Antonio, TX, USA.
I do some buying on eBay so I'll check it out.
Thanks for all the advice and info folks.
Norm
<steven.sawyer.DeleteThis@banet.net> wrote in message
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> Norm,
> I don't know where you live, but here in NYC we have countless storefront
camera
> stores that have windows filled with discontinued models at reasonable
prices.
> I buy a lot on eBay, but I have to warn you that eBay can be hit or miss,
> something you just have to accept when using eBay. Another technique is
to
> simply do a web search for a particular discontinued model - for instance
Canon
> EOS IX (or IX Lite), you will find dealers selling new in the box models,
with
> warranties for less than what they sold retail when they were in
production.
>
> Norm wrote:
>
> > Thanks to all for the information. It is all very useful. The camera
is
> > for my 17 yr old daughter. She likes the Canon Elph series. From the
> > advice given above I'll let her choose based on the features and price
> > (Christmas present).
> >
> > Do you favor any brands over others? As I stated she likes the Elph but
is
> > open to other choices. Of course, she is a 17 yr old and looks will
play a
> > part in her choice<grin>. She isn't yet into any darkroom work. I
guess if
> > she goes that route she will need to either use my Canon AE1 or get her
own
> > camera. Good digital cameras are just a little out of our price range
right
> > now.
> >
> > Also, do you have a link or advice to help me locate some used and NOS
> > caches to peruse?
> >
> > Norm
> >
> > "Anna Nimotti" <woan.DeleteThis@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:r59msv0ib3fbknpdges38r1bqmrc521jva@4ax.com...
> > > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:46:59 GMT, steven.sawyer.DeleteThis@banet.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are two advantages of APS over 35mm:
> > > > 1) Mid-roll changing of film. This is the equivalent to having
> > > > interchangeable backs in 35mm, which has only been available on the
> > Contaflex
> > > > and the Rolleiflex 35mm models (now discontinued and somewhat rare
on
> > the
> > > > used market). In other words you can shoot indoors at 400 and then
> > switch to
> > > > 100 for outdoor shooting without having to complete either roll.
> > >
> > > Ah. Mid-roll film change. I forget about that. Unfortunately, not all
> > > APS cameras offer it. I have 2 APS cameras, a Konica Revio (original)
> > > and a Contax Tix, neither of which can do mid-roll change. And the
> > > Contax, at least, is not exactly a 'basic' camera.
> > >
> > > > 2) Wider aspect ratio. As was mentioned before all exposures made
onto
> > APS
> > > > film utilize the HDTV aspect ratio, which translates to a 4"x7"
print at
> > the
> > > > minilab. This could be a plus for you if you shoot lots of wide
> > subjects
> > > > i.e. group shots, street scenes and landscapes. This is a
disadvantage
> > for
> > > > vertical shots however - unless of course they are of skyscrapers.
> > > >
> > > > If you do choose APS, carefully check the used and NOS
(new-old-stock)
> > > > markets for cameras. Lots of people are foolishly dumping their APS
> > gear
> > > > (mostly bodies) to switch to digital.
> > >
> > > I'd agree that there are some very good deals to be had on used high
> > > end APS cameras and the image quality to price ratio is higher than is
> > > yet available from digital cameras.
> > > --
> > > a n n @ n i m o t t i . p o r t 5 . c o m
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:07 pm
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:32:05 -0600, "AD" <none.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>You might want to look at this Tiara. It originally listed at $569 and I'd
>rate the images at about equal to my expensive Olympus XA-4s ("cult" 35mm)
>cameras.
>
>http://www.heavenlycloseouts.com/product.asp?3=2119
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:19 am
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I have an Endeavor 10 and it stinks. This one's better?
Emilio Desalvo wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:32:05 -0600, "AD" <none.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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> >You might want to look at this Tiara. It originally listed at $569 and I'd
> >rate the images at about equal to my expensive Olympus XA-4s ("cult" 35mm)
> >cameras.
> >
> >http://www.heavenlycloseouts.com/product.asp?3=2119
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:22 am
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:19:07 GMT, steven.sawyer.DeleteThis@banet.net wrote:
>I have an Endeavor 10 and it stinks. This one's better?
Mostly I wanted something small.
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