6x17 panorama

You should be sure you want 6x17. 17cm requires 7" or better enlarging
equipment. It could get complicated or expensive quickly. On the other hand,
12cm is common, and wide lenses that cover it are easily found.
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In rec.photo.equipment.large-format jjs <jjs.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote:
 > You should be sure you want 6x17. 17cm requires 7" or better enlarging
 > equipment. It could get complicated or expensive quickly. On the other hand,
 > 12cm is common, and wide lenses that cover it are easily found.


The wide angle part might not end up being true. A 75mm Nikon should cover
6x17. To get something similar on 6x12 you'd need something around 58mm.
OTOH a 6x12 back can be had for relatively little.

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..::SuperBLUE::. <SuperBLUE DeleteThis @visakvip.hr> wrote:

 > What is the best way for me to start?
 > What is the cheapest option?
 > Is Linhof or Fuji 617 unavoidable or is there a cheaper solution?
 > Maybe Russian/Chinese?

Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
more possibilities.

Ralf

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 > Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
 > more possibilities.

I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions:

1. Color films for large format and where are they developed?
2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos?
3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available
lenses (I like the telephoto)?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:06:35 +0100, ".::SuperBLUE::."
<SuperBLUE.DeleteThis@visakvip.hr> wrote:

  >> Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
  >> more possibilities.
 >
 >I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions:
 >
 >1. Color films for large format and where are they developed?
 >2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos?
 >3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available
 >lenses (I like the telephoto)?


Unless I'm mistaken, Fuji and Kodak are the lost
folks left making color films in 4x5 size, but
both offer a nice lineup of both C41 and reversal
(chrome) emulsions. Alas, I can't get Reala in
4x5, but there are a couple of versions of
Kodak's Portra and several 160-ISO C41 films
from Fuji.

Developing... I'm in the western suburbs of
Boston and there are about two places in town
that will process sheet film. Cost is about
$2.50 a sheet for processing.

IMO, you'd have a better variety of lenses
with 4x5 than with a 6x17, but I'm not at
all familiar with the latter.


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".::SuperBLUE::." <SuperBLUE.RemoveThis@visakvip.hr> wrote in message
news:ct1hmu$5l3$1@ls219.htnet.hr...
  >> Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
  >> more possibilities.
 >
 > I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions:
 >
 > 1. Color films for large format and where are they developed?
 > 2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed
 > photos?
 > 3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the
 > available
 > lenses (I like the telephoto)?

As mentioned earlier, 17cm is a relatively unusual fit. 12cm (5x4") is more
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:04:04 -0500, rafe bustin
<rafe.bustin.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:

 >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:06:35 +0100, ".::SuperBLUE::."
 ><SuperBLUE.DeleteThis@visakvip.hr> wrote:
 >
   >>> Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
   >>> more possibilities.
  >>
  >>I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions:
  >>
  >>1. Color films for large format and where are they developed?
  >>2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos?
  >>3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available
  >>lenses (I like the telephoto)?
 >
 >
 >Unless I'm mistaken, Fuji and Kodak are the lost
 >folks left making color films in 4x5 size

D'oh. Meant "last folks", of course.


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..::SuperBLUE::. <SuperBLUE.TakeThisOut@visakvip.hr> wrote:

  > > Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer
  > > more possibilities.
 >
 > I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions:
 >
 > 1. Color films for large format and where are they developed?

Get yourself a second-hand Jobo processor and do the processing
yourself.

Or, as others have suggested here, fit a rollfilm back.

 > 2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos?

Definitely not.

 > 3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available
 > lenses (I like the telephoto)?

With a 6 x 17 camera, you're limited to the selection of lenses they
sell for it. With a large-format camera, you have an immense choice of
lenses you can use.

Ralf


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".::SuperBLUE::." <SuperBLUE DeleteThis @visakvip.hr> wrote:

 > What is the best way for me to start?
 > What is the cheapest option?
 > Is Linhof or Fuji 617 unavoidable or is there a cheaper solution?
 > Maybe Russian/Chinese?

There's a (relatively) new company out of Hong Kong (fotoman) that has some
interesting cameras.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fotomancamera.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fotomancamera.com/</a>

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Acsj&unified_p=1" target="_blank">http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Acsj&unified_p=1</a>

If you are going to scan, then you can just shoot three images on 6x7 and
merge. I like lower aspect ratios, so two images with a wide angle lens does
it for me.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/33533884/large" target="_blank">http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/33533884/large</a>

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:28:28 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
<davidjl.RemoveThis@gol.com> wrote:


 >If you are going to scan, then you can just shoot three images on 6x7 and
 >merge. I like lower aspect ratios, so two images with a wide angle lens does
 >it for me.
 >
 >http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/33533884/large


I see you're getting some mileage out of
that picture, David.

It's a nice mood and composition... but I
wonder about the overall blue cast. The
picture looks a lot more real (and IMO,
no less attractive) with the blue channel
toned down. And that's what you'd get if
you made the concrete wall neutral.

Do you know offhand the largest length
(single frame) of 120 film that the
LS-8000 will scan? It's tempting to
get a MF back for my ShenHao (4x5)
so that I go back to using the Nikon
to scan that stuff.

In the spirit of sharing, here's a
pano I made from four 645 images.
I had fun printing this 80"x18"
on my Epson.

<http://www.terrapinphoto.com/fog_pano.jpg>


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"rafe bustin" <rafe.bustin.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote:
 > "David J. Littleboy"<davidjl.TakeThisOut@gol.com> wrote:
 >
  > >If you are going to scan, then you can just shoot three images on 6x7 and
  > >merge. I like lower aspect ratios, so two images with a wide angle lens
does
  > >it for me.
  > >
  > >http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/33533884/large
 >
 > I see you're getting some mileage out of that picture, David.

Yes. I should get off my duff and do some more panos.

 > It's a nice mood and composition... but I
 > wonder about the overall blue cast. The
 > picture looks a lot more real (and IMO,
 > no less attractive) with the blue channel
 > toned down. And that's what you'd get if
 > you made the concrete wall neutral.

Well, the slides are blue and it was blue.

 > Do you know offhand the largest length
 > (single frame) of 120 film that the
 > LS-8000 will scan? It's tempting to
 > get a MF back for my ShenHao (4x5)
 > so that I go back to using the Nikon
 > to scan that stuff.

The largest frame the Nikon will scan is 56x82 mm.

So you have to scan twice and stitch.

Someone sent me a 6x17 frame to play with, and although I succeeded in
scanning that frame, it was only because that particular frame didn't cause
Newton's rings. With the regular film holder, and with a mask holding the
6x17 frame off the glass, I was unable to get the film flat enough to remain
in critical focus across the whole frame.

 > In the spirit of sharing, here's a
 > pano I made from four 645 images.
 > I had fun printing this 80"x18"
 > on my Epson.

What do you use to drive the Epson for longer than standard sizes?

 > <http://www.terrapinphoto.com/fog_pano.jpg>

Ah, I see you left the power pole. A lot of my countryside shots have lots
of power poles. They don't bother me, since they actually were there. But
some people think they should be photoshopped out...

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:27:40 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
<davidjl RemoveThis @gol.com> wrote:


 >
 >What do you use to drive the Epson for longer than standard sizes?
 >
  >> <http://www.terrapinphoto.com/fog_pano.jpg>


Nothing special. Epson driver. For the 7000,
the limit is around 80 inches.

Strangely, the driver will let you plug in
much larger values but will then choke.

Somewhere along the way I found a PDF
(from Epson's web site) with official
print-length limits for this printer...
and chose a length just below that.

It's still not optimal -- if I could use
the full printing width available, the
print would be more like 100" long.

But I'm not about to shell out thousands
of $$ for a RIP, not quite yet.


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I've just started using the Art Panorama/ Shen Hao 6x17 roll film back with a 5x4 field camera. I'm VERY surprised at the quality of the build and the results! Only down side is that you are really limited to using lenses from 90mm-150mm, anything longer will vignette slightly (a 210mm lens gives an image approx 6x15cms. Shorter than 90mm and the front and rear standards of most cameras will not allow focus as they are too close together. BTW I am using a recessed panel and bag bellows with the 90mm and am able to employ movements.

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